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#411632 - 11/18/08 11:57 AM Re: Couture vs. Lesnar SPOILER [Re: Kimo2007]
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Ok, gotcha. I msunderstood your post, apologies.
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#411633 - 11/18/08 12:01 PM Re: Couture vs. Lesnar SPOILER [Re: Kimo2007]
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I'd have to agree, Mir won due to Brock's mistake. Mir was losing the fight and big but was able to capitalize on a mistake due to his sound ground work. If Brock did not put himself in the position or knew the escape; Mir would have lost.

I have no problem with Brock being a former WWE star; doesn't bother me a bit. What bothers me is he came from a record of 1-1 in the UFC with only 1 other win in another venue. He should have fought a few other guys before getting the title shot; somebody like Antonio Nogueira, Gabriel Gonzaga or Cheick Kongo. Or at least guys like Junior Dos Santos, Justin Eilers, Dan Evensen, Antoni Hardonk, Josh Hendricks, Justin McCully, Jake O'Brien, Eddie Sanchez or Christian Wellisch. All of who have better MMA records then Brock; they just did not have the hype and marketability.
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#411634 - 11/18/08 12:07 PM Re: Couture vs. Lesnar SPOILER [Re: Dereck]
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Well considering he won it shows he was ready for the title shot.

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#411635 - 11/18/08 12:26 PM Re: Couture vs. Lesnar SPOILER [Re: Kravinatrix]
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I don't agree with that. This is how things should have gone down as.

Antonio Nogueira should have found Randy Couture to decide the Heavy Weight belt.

Frank Mir should have fought either Cheick Kongo or Gabriel Gonzaga.

Brock Lesnar should have fought either Cheick Kongo or Gabriel Gonzaga.

The winner of these two fights would then fight each other and then fight against the winner of Nogueir/Couture.

That is more fair as many have put in their time and have fought well. If Lesnar is as good as we are led to believe he would have eventually made it here and would have been more legit with a better record for having fought some decent guys.
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#411636 - 11/18/08 12:31 PM Re: Couture vs. Lesnar SPOILER [Re: Dereck]
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Quote:

This is how things should have gone down as.

Antonio Nogueira should have found Randy Couture to decide the Heavy Weight belt.

Frank Mir should have fought either Cheick Kongo or Gabriel Gonzaga.

Brock Lesnar should have fought either Cheick Kongo or Gabriel Gonzaga.

The winner of these two fights would then fight each other and then fight against the winner of Nogueir/Couture.

That is more fair as many have put in their time and have fought well. If Lesnar is as good as we are led to believe he would have eventually made it here and would have been more legit with a better record for having fought some decent guys.




Sounds good, I agree, but unfortunately this is why Dana White's a multi millionaire and we're not...

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#411637 - 11/19/08 02:08 PM Re: Couture vs. Lesnar SPOILER [Re: MattJ]
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Quote:

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He beat Couture fair and square. Couture admitted it, we have to as well.




Not disagreeing, although without his 55lb weight advantage, it likely would have gone Couture's way.




on this point, do you think, by extension, that Couture would have lost in that fight if he were facing Butterbean or Bobb Sapp?

Both those guys have been roasted by much smaller guys, both in K1 and MMA matches. I couldnt see either of them lasting more than 2 minutes against Couture.

That means that Lesnar must have more going for him than size and quickness.

The big problem Brock has is nothing to do with his WWE history, it is because he is the embodiment of everything MAists train to be able to cope with. Martial arts as we know them are designed to negate attribute advantage, and appeal to those who feel such ability is necessary, and indeed, possible, on a guaranteed basis. Brock is the guy who reminds us all that there is only so much you can cope with, trained or not.
Thats why he will never be accepted in the Martial community.
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#411638 - 11/19/08 02:18 PM Re: Couture vs. Lesnar SPOILER [Re: Cord]
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That means that Lesnar must have more going for him than size and quickness.




Not disagreeing at all. I even said that Brock is a world-class wrestler - just not of Couture's caliber. His physical attributes were indeed the tipping point in his victory, IMHO. Without them, I feel that he would have lost. But I do not subscribe to the view that his attributes alone (minus his wrestling skill) could have won that fight by itself. Couture has too much skill.
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#411639 - 11/20/08 11:13 AM Re: Couture vs. Lesnar SPOILER [Re: MattJ]
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How do you like these apples?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=JUWPK7oUmWc

It would be interesting for Brock if it happened.
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#411640 - 11/20/08 01:58 PM Re: Couture vs. Lesnar SPOILER [Re: Dauragon c mikado]
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This will never happen. Batista is making too much money in the WWE and has the fame to go with it. He's a monster but he is no where near the athlete that Lesnar is in terms of wrestling skill and work ethic or strength. I like Batista, he's big and mean and has an awesome build; cool tats too. He'd definitely be a force in the Heavy Weight division if he came but I don't think a match for Lesnar. I'd like him to prove me wrong though; that'd be awesome.
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#411641 - 11/20/08 04:09 PM Re: Couture vs. Lesnar SPOILER [Re: Dereck]
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Well, he is doing a really nice job of droping his right hand every time he kicks...might want to get that fixed before stepping in the cage against a pro fighter.

Then half the guys in there drop their hands when they punch so maybe it won't matter.
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