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#411101 - 11/04/08 08:53 AM Memory impairment...and kata
harlan Offline
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This weekend:

Teacher: 'You're demoted.'

Me: 'You can't demote me...I don't even have a white belt.'

Teacher: 'Five years and you still can't remember the katas?'

Somebody pipe in here for me...I'm starting to really think I've got some kind of memory impairment. How long, or really, how much practice does it take to 'get a kata down'...and how often to practice...to keep it?

thanks for any feedback

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#411102 - 11/04/08 09:37 AM Re: Memory impairment...and kata [Re: harlan]
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Harlan-san

I can usually pick up a kata within around 3 lessons including home practice.

Its then making it your own that takes the time.

Funakoshi stated it takes 1000 days to become adequate but 10000 days to become proficient

You should practice the Kata every 2nd day atleast to prevent you from loosing them

I get upset when I have to re teach Kata to students who should have already 'graded' for the kata they have forgotten

The one thing I can say is if the person is not willing to devote the time into practicing what has been taught then what is the point in teaching it in the first place.

Karate is like hot water, you have to give it heat (keep training) constantly to keep it warm or it will go cold again

Hope this helps
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#411103 - 11/04/08 09:49 AM Re: Memory impairment...and kata [Re: harlan]
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5 years and forgetting your kata is quite unusual! Have you tried going through them in your head at night? Once learnt, you just have to keep repeating them (for real), at least every few weeks (once solidly learnt) and more if you want the techniques to be smooth and solid. Then you can worry about learning and absorbing the applications...

I have a reasonable head for kata and I can hold 27 or thereabouts in my head provided I practice them all over about three months. Obviously the ones I practice more often look better and I understand better than the ones I practice infrequently or just to be able to still perform them (like Sochin for example).

Forgetting them even after a lot of practice is not unusual though for some people, especially under stress. We have a perfectly solid brown belt who sometimes gets stressed and forgets midway through Bassai dai and Kanku Dai, kata he knows well enough when he is relaxed. Again, a bit of quiet mental revision would probably help him...

Ben

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#411104 - 11/04/08 09:53 AM Re: Memory impairment...and kata [Re: Dobbersky]
Barad Offline
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I agree-it is annoying to find people have learnt a kata for a grading then instantly forgotten it, never mind trying to see any deeper meaning. This has been a problem I have seen at all levels including dan grades. Even worse, we have a student currently, absolutely terrible so stuck at his 5th kyu grade for the last couple of years, but keeps wanting to learnt higher kata with the black and brown belts when he can barely perform the most basic kata satisfactorily...

Ben

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#411105 - 11/04/08 10:23 AM Re: Memory impairment...and kata [Re: Barad]
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For me...they are all the same. Show me a piece of one...and can't tell you which one it is...unless I do the whole thing. It's like...I don't have any sense of what comes first, or what is after...until doing it.

It took months, and months and months to learn my first, beginner bo kata...and I still forget it unless (as stated in one reply above) I practice it twice a week as well. And then...there is 'the wall'. After a few years of training in the same direction, I finally mentioned that the minute I turn to the wall on the right...that whole 'side' of the kata drops out...I freeze. And related to it...trying to perform kata in unfamiliar surroundings...I realized I had 'keyed in' to direction and location. We work on that now by changing up training in different directions.

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#411106 - 11/04/08 10:32 AM Re: Memory impairment...and kata [Re: harlan]
Barad Offline
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Just practice I guess-try visualising if you get a few minutes spare though, it might help. Which art is it that you are studying?

Ben

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#411107 - 11/04/08 10:40 AM Re: Memory impairment...and kata [Re: Barad]
harlan Offline
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Goju and kobudo.

How the heck do people find the time to go to work, rear kids, go to class a couple times a week, and work on keeping stuff fresh at home, while still trying to practice the new stuff/kata/drills/etc....never mind trying to fit in a bit of exercise??? Two hours every day just doesn't seem to cut it.

I mean, someone said they know 27 katas???? How many hours a day does it take to keep those all current?


Edited by harlan (11/04/08 10:45 AM)

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#411108 - 11/04/08 10:46 AM Re: Memory impairment...and kata [Re: harlan]
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Practice one kata each day. By practice I mean go through the whole thing a few times to warm up. Then break it down, extract the waza and drill them, hit stuff with them, think about their application, shadow box with them, etc. Then go through them again all the way through a few times at the end to cool down. Do this every day with a different kata and they will be "yours."
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#411109 - 11/04/08 11:01 AM Re: Memory impairment...and kata [Re: harlan]
Barad Offline
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That was me (27 kata) but I did learn them over a long time. I practice them as having learnt them I do not want to lose them. I know it sounds like a lot but it is not that hard in practice.

Ben

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#411110 - 11/04/08 07:34 PM Re: Memory impairment...and kata [Re: harlan]
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Hi Narda,

I think the issue is we don't all remember the same way. I don't know the details of your memory issue, but it's not you alone. I've know individuals who've trained in good schools remain brown belts over 10 years simply because of similar issues. They enjoyed their training but their personality didn't lend themselves to performing under pressure.

One can only keep trying and working hard. Keep believing in yourself and practice frequently.

Then let the chips fall where they may.
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