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#424984 - 02/14/10 12:30 PM Re: Differences in sparring [Re: Dereck]
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I do thin that the kicks and the training techniques are different.

I learn different things and differetn training techniques from the recent Karate and Kick Boxing classes I have taken. I can say that there is a difference in the way the techniques are trained and in the appearance of the resulting techinique.

While I think that we could debate which method of training or which technique is better or more importantly is better for which body type. I would also suggest that the person trainning is the more relavant factor. The attitude, the work ethic, the athleticism, and while you better know it the difference in the technique is a factor but minimal in comparison to the person.

You could improve the quality of any martial art by simply getting people to train more and stay longer.

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#424997 - 02/14/10 11:13 PM Re: Differences in sparring [Re: flynch]
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I've never done anything other than TKD, but I have sparred with some karatekas, and they seem to focus more on hand techniques, while I used almost exclusively kicks.

I tried some light bantering with a kung-fu guy, and, while he could beat me in close combat, he could not do anything against my axe kick.

Just my little input.

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#425049 - 02/15/10 07:37 PM Re: Differences in sparring [Re: flynch]
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Hello flynch:

Not being one of your airborne brethren (generic) as a technical matter I happily admire your particlar kicking technique. As a technical matter, I prefer to keep my feet on the ground at any opportunity. I have enough trouble standing up as it is grin All that is necessary is for the technique to land cleanly... they all hurt meaningfully if we practice them enough.

The problem with "sparring" is precisely what you mention; the banging of limbs. Done at a better-higher level of skill, I don't think there is much "banging" as there is damage caused.

Wrap me in enough protective padding/equipment and I won't care in the least what gets thrown by or at me. Remove all of that padding, and it will matter really quickly. Precision becomes important.

Merely my perspective I could surely be mistaken,
Jeff

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#425055 - 02/15/10 09:29 PM Re: Differences in sparring [Re: Ronin1966]
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Well, with high-kicking techniques, you can in theory keep your opponent at bay, and, if he only had hand techniques, he can never come near you.

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#425072 - 02/16/10 09:05 AM Re: Differences in sparring [Re: TaekwonDoFan]
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Originally Posted By: TaekwonDoFan
Well, with high-kicking techniques, you can in theory keep your opponent at bay, and, if he only had hand techniques, he can never come near you.
I would say that if someone had superior kicking ability, like Bill "Superfoot" Wallace, then this may be the case in tournament competition, depending on the rule set. However in the street, in actual combat, I would think that generally speaking, high kicking would be somewhat counter-productive, especially once the use of the feet has been displayed, jmo

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#425077 - 02/16/10 10:41 AM Re: Differences in sparring [Re: ITFunity]
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I've never been in a street fight, but I saw one many years ago in which a taller opponent did a spinning kick on his victim - that said, the kicker seemed to have the edge on the other guy at all times.

I think a wheel kick to the head can be very effective. And, if your opponent is several feet from you, a high flying kick can be psychologically intimidating.

That said, I agree that high kicks in general aren't practical, especially if you get older, which is why I'm relearning the hand techniques taught from my ITF days in the 1970's.

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#425088 - 02/16/10 04:01 PM Re: Differences in sparring [Re: TaekwonDoFan]
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I agree with ITFunity. Spinning, jumping, and high kicking in a street fight are a very bad idea. For these reasons:

1) Adrenaline rush could cause you to slip and fall.
2) Your environment could cause you to slip and fall.
3) Your assailant might be trained and could catch your kick.
4) Your kicking skill may not be up to par with your over confidence.

As far as psychological advantage, I think your intentions and energy will be more intimidating than the actual technique you use. I mean lets say you decide to pull off a Jean Claude Van Dam jumping spinning heel kick. In my eyes its very pretty and not intimidating in the least.

Personally the only high kick I would ever use...if ever I would to use a high kick. Would be the inside crescent kick to the face. Or half moon kick. Sorry I don't know what it's called in Chang Hon TK-D

But in sparring I'd cut loose and use my arsenal of kicks because there's not much danger of getting hurt. Keeping your attacker at distance in sparring is possible where as in a street attack, you pretty much should just focus on escaping, attacking, and surviving.
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#425089 - 02/16/10 04:55 PM Re: Differences in sparring [Re: TeK9]
TaekwonDoFan Offline
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I would go with the Jeet Kune Do perspective - high kicks aren't practical, but keep them in mind, because you never know.

A crescent kick to the face can be very effective.

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#425099 - 02/16/10 07:52 PM Re: Differences in sparring [Re: TeK9]
ITFunity Offline
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Originally Posted By: TeK9
Personally the only high kick I would ever use...if ever I would to use a high kick. Would be the inside crescent kick to the face. Or half moon kick. Sorry I don't know what it's called in Chang Hon TK-D
In ITF Chang hon or original TKD we only use a crescent kick for blocking. It is a defensive kick. The closest offensive version would be a vertical kick & that is performed both inward & outward. So I would say the most equal kick to what I think you guys mean would be for us, an inward vertical kick

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#425100 - 02/16/10 08:55 PM Re: Differences in sparring [Re: ITFunity]
TaekwonDoFan Offline
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The ITF that I did used hand/arm blocks, not leg blocks. I consider the leg to be an offensive weapon, not defensive.

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