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#409297 - 10/31/08 06:44 AM Re: 2nd Dan Grading [Re: StuartA]
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Each to his own I guess.. although I am wondering just what video your watching as most would agree they are actually pretty decent.. still, I guess you cant please everyone.





Decent, yes, but not decent enough for 2nd dan imo. We all have our standards. I guess if you have alot of high ranks, they see 2nd dan as a low rank, so I see the difference there.

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Oh what a hero you are! Besides, it was X-rayed the next day, so no-one knew it was broken.. and he did just get on with it.. no tape either! And no bills, it was done on the NHS!






Thankyou! Not heroics, just common sense. Unless I can see a bone protruding or major deformation, then a broke toe is not a big deal imo. Painful and irritating. I broke my right ring finger and two ribs during a sparring session once. Got an X-ray on the ribs just to make sure they weren't poking anything they shouldn't be. They weren't and they just wrapped me up tight and gave me pain medication. I hope your guy's toe gets better soon.

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Ah! You have a beef with the art (me too ).. okay, just for you... he traned 6 years to his 1st degree and a further 2 years for his second, though I suppose thats not long enough for you!






That's a long time for TKD! Glad to see things being done better,but I still have to question it from seeing the footage. For some, it takes much more training and dedication to have good clean techniques. Then again, you may see 2nd dan as a generally low rank.

No beef in general with TKD. My issues are 2yr blackbelts, inflated ranks, poor techniques, the ATA on all counts, and just the way I see TKD trained.

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So nothing to show then.. figures!





What? you take issue with people who criticize performance,but don't record their own training? Sorry, maybe one day I'll have to record something just for you. I prefer to meet and train with people in person.

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Heard that before.. theres pro's and con's to that too, just like formal gradings. I take it you judge when your students are ready to move up then.. or dont you believe in having ranks either? How many classes do they have to attend before their next rank then!




We have four belts, no testing fees, and no monthly fees. Students are handpicked, we don't advertise or sell anything.
There is a general time in rank understanding,but most of the time it is extended.

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True for McDojangs.. but not for all dojangs. Others make money by charging high fees, not doing gradings so no one ever fails and thus retain them longer to pay more high fees!





Not if you don't charge or have a contract,which we don't. I do see your point and I'm not accusing you of being a mcdojo,yet!

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Well, we cant all be into cool music.. dont worry, no one would ever hold it against you






Just pointing out that the video seemed to be about looks more than substance.

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Enough to cover the hall for a solo grading for 3 hours & travel expenses of the outside examiners. The grading had 5 examiners + 3 others BBs to help test him traveled down. NO ONE made any money that day.. in fact I lost money, as I usually do by hosting small, intensive gradings.





Good to hear!



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#409298 - 10/31/08 07:10 AM Re: 2nd Dan Grading [Re: BrianS]
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Decent, yes, but not decent enough for 2nd dan imo.



Anyone can have an opinion.. doesnt make it correct.

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We all have our standards.



Again, anyone can "quote" standards.. the proof is in the pudding and with nothing to show, just saying something doesnt carry much substance with it. Not saying you have low/high standards.. just theres nothing to compare to. Personally, I think he done pretty well considering the break! Would of course done better if he wasnt limping through everything.. but there ya go!

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I guess if you have alot of high ranks, they see 2nd dan as a low rank, so I see the difference there.



You make a lot of assumptions dont you.. I only have 1 other 2nd dan and hes been training 15 years. And you?

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Thankyou! Not heroics, just common sense. Unless I can see a bone protruding or major deformation, then a broke toe is not a big deal imo.



I think medical people would disagree with you.. either way, no matter as he didnt moan about it and just got on with the rest of the grading.

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I broke my right ring finger and two ribs during a sparring session once. Got an X-ray on the ribs just to make sure they weren't poking anything they shouldn't be. They weren't and they just wrapped me up tight and gave me pain medication.



What!! You needed medication for the pain... Im shocked!

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I hope your guy's toe gets better soon.



It is thanks. Sensible training around injuries helps the process.

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That's a long time for TKD!



Again, in your opinion. Its the usual in my school. Of the few BBs we have, all took that time to get there and they are the hardcore students, who rarely miss a session and are very dedicated.

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Then again, you may see 2nd dan as a generally low rank.



Theres them assumptions again!! You do that an aweful lot you know!

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My issues are 2yr blackbelts, inflated ranks, poor techniques, the ATA on all counts, and just the way I see TKD trained.



Then you need to see the bigger picture.. as none of those apply to my schools and all decent schools have the same issues. The difference is we show people we do things different rather than just moaning about it!

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What? you take issue with people who criticize performance,but don't record their own training?



No, I take issue with those that act like an authority but are unwilling to show why they act that way! Anyone can write words ona forum.. if your so great.. show where your coming from!

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Sorry, maybe one day I'll have to record something just for you.



Dont do it just for me.. it doesnt affect anything I do. Ive seen loads of good Goju and some pretty poor stuff, I doubt yours will not fall into one of those categories. Just incase your assuming different, we film the BB gradings in case they are ever called into question, because we have a film of it, if we ever need to account for what they did to get there grade, its all there on video. I come from a back ground where TKD dan gradings were a closed shop.. no one ever got to see what goes on and this is one of the reasons why TKD has poor BBs, as theres no accountability.

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I prefer to meet and train with people in person.



Funnily enough, I do that too.. quite a lot in fact! Why does that mean you cant put something on video.. not everyone can travel the world to train with you, despite your obvious greatness

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We have four belts, no testing fees, and no monthly fees. Students are handpicked, we don't advertise or sell anything.



So I take it you have no hall costs to cover... nice if you can get it!

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There is a general time in rank understanding,but most of the time it is extended.



Who decides if its extended?

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Not if you don't charge or have a contract,which we don't.



We dont have contracts either.. we charge fees as the hallw e use charges us!

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I do see your point and I'm not accusing you of being a mcdojo,yet!



Nor am I acussing ou of being a Mcdojo either (BTW, its McDojang for Korean art schools)

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Just pointing out that the video seemed to be about looks more than substance.



The substance is there, you just choose not to see it, besides, a 3 hour grading put into a 3 minute clip cannot show everything. But it is also about looks, to show other TKD folk that there are hard, in-depth gradings about and its not all £XXX and 10 minutes of poor patterns. As well as the accountability factor I mention above.

Stuart


Edited by StuartA (10/31/08 07:18 AM)
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#409299 - 11/03/08 01:29 AM Re: 2nd Dan Grading [Re: StuartA]
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Anyone can have an opinion.. doesnt make it correct.





Apparently, if someone doesn't agree with you then they are not correct.

Done with this pointless thread. I was just adding my .02 about the grading from the video. You don't agree with it,so alrighty!
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#409300 - 11/03/08 07:19 AM Re: 2nd Dan Grading [Re: BrianS]
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Apparently, if someone doesn't agree with you then they are not correct.



Please don't twist what I said.. I said "Anyone can have an opinion.. doesnt make it correct"- which is true .. it seems you are the one who feels that no one is allowed to disagree with you, not I!

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Done with this pointless thread.



Good. It will allow you time to get on with your other pointless thread!

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I was just adding my .02 about the grading from the video. You don't agree with it,so alrighty!



Well, Im glad thats cleared up.. alrighty then, on to other things

Stuart
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#409301 - 11/04/08 03:10 AM Re: 2nd Dan Grading [Re: StuartA]
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Stuart,

I merely stated my opinion about your youtube 2nd dan grading video. When you post a video it is up for criticism. I saw alot of things lacking in the video like good form,realistic applications, good sparring, etc...

I'm not going to go back and forth trying to 1-up you. It's just my opinion. Don't like it? Tough cookies, train better.
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#409302 - 11/04/08 05:57 AM Re: 2nd Dan Grading [Re: BrianS]
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Sorry, thought you said you were finished on this thread.. oh well..
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Stuart, I merely stated my opinion about your youtube 2nd dan grading video. When you post a video it is up for criticism. I saw alot of things lacking in the video like good form,realistic applications, good sparring, etc...



I know you did.. I (and others) disagree.. that is allowed isnt it?

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I'm not going to go back and forth trying to 1-up you.



Then stop posting

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It's just my opinion.



I know, we have gone through that, what an opinion means etc etc.. its just an opinion, not fact.

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Don't like it? Tough cookies, train better.



I dont like or dislike your opinion, I just dont happen to agree with you.. anyone can tap away at a keyboard.. put soem fo your stuff up to re-enforce your opinions and give them at least a decent base!

Stuart
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#409303 - 11/05/08 03:09 AM Re: 2nd Dan Grading [Re: StuartA]
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Good grief man. Are you saying that a person putting up a video is only open to criticism by others who post videos?

You obviously don't know what good technique is, good self defense is, or good form looks like, so there is no point.

Look at the self defense your guy does. Are you calling that good self defense? Are you claiming that you would try that against a person weilding a knife?
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#409304 - 11/05/08 04:11 AM Re: 2nd Dan Grading [Re: BrianS]
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Registered: 01/28/04
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Good grief man. Are you saying that a person putting up a video is only open to criticism by others who post videos?

You obviously don't know what good technique is, good self defense is, or good form looks like, so there is no point.

Look at the self defense your guy does. Are you calling that good self defense? Are you claiming that you would try that against a person wielding a knife?





WITH RESPECT....

I have seen the Video, read the initial post and the following spats.

I fully agree with Brian.
The Self Defense was very clunky and even got to a down-right-suicidal level.

FFS that is not how you deal with people wielding knives!
I can only PRAY that anyone watching those techniques does NOT PRACTICE THEM!!

"Knives don't kill people...... Teaching Self Defense like this kills people"

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Edited this post as I initially thought I may have come accross a little harsh:

So I watched the Videos again....

Very good Stuart..
You had me going there!
I really did bite.
I thought you were serious there. Nice one!
These techniques come right out of the Movie "Kung Pow"


Edited by GriffyGriff (11/05/08 04:33 AM)
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#409305 - 11/05/08 05:34 AM Re: 2nd Dan Grading [Re: BrianS]
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Posts: 443
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Are you saying that a person putting up a video is only open to criticism by others who post videos?



Not at all, I was offering you the chance to add substance to your criticism, after all, anyone can tap away at a keyboard with no basis for what they say what so ever. As you seem quite forth-right in your opinion, needing to press it over and over again, I thought it would be good to add a basis for your comments & where you come from, which in turn re-enforces your posts.

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You obviously don't know what good technique is, good self defense is, or good form looks like, so there is no point.



LOL.. if you say so.

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Look at the self defense your guy does. Are you calling that good self defense?



Its decent enough considering where, when and under what circumsances it was done - yes.

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Are you claiming that you would try that against a person weilding a knife?



As all the examiners (one of which was a soldier) all felt the same, again, Id have to say yes. As many of the techniques we use were taught to me by a US LEO (who specializes in teaching weapons defences) and UK military unarmed combat instructor, Id have to say yes and most importantly, having actually defended against knife attacks in the real world (on more than one occassion) I'd have to say yes!

Stuart

Ps. Griffygriff.. opinion noted. Thanks for posting, I giggled so much I almost choked on my cornflakes
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#409306 - 11/05/08 05:55 AM Re: 2nd Dan Grading [Re: StuartA]
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As all the examiners (one of which was a soldier) all felt the same, again, Id have to say yes. As many of the techniques we use were taught to me by a US LEO (who specializes in teaching weapons defences) and UK military unarmed combat instructor, Id have to say yes and most importantly, having actually defended against knife attacks in the real world (on more than one occassion) I'd have to say yes!





I was a soldier for 9yrs. I also work with LEO on a regular basis. My primary instructor right now is a police officer, a guy testing for his blackbelt soon is also a police officer. My instructor's brother was a LEO Sgt., but now works for the FBI, big whoopty doo. All of us can attest that techniques taught by the military and police can be the worst techniques to actually try in a real situation. (Rob showed us some good stuff the FBI is teaching though, and they are good.)

The police academy showed them some good ways "to get hurt". I'm not saying they had nothing useful,but their training is outdated imo which is why LEO should seek outside training and stay in shape above all.

The combat applications I was taught in the military were laughable. Especially since I was in a combat unit.

So, the military/LEO card doesn't hold much water.

BTW, I'm not sure if anyone is going to video the upcoming shodan test. If they do I'll try to get ahold of some of the footage. I myself do not have a camcorder.
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