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#408092 - 09/29/08 02:39 AM Re: Young man doing Tai Chi? [Re: ashe_higgs]
ShaoLimper Offline
Dont hurt his Fealings

Registered: 09/15/08
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Okay! I stand corrected. Granted, at that time, I was not entirely awake.

Chen VS Yang. I know two senior practitioners of each style, and they both tell me that Checn is the combat applicable art, as where Yang is merely a form of meditation and benaficial to your health.

I admit I am taking what they say for granted, but I know that Chen style does indeed hurt! Yang style, I will say openly that is what I was told, be it fact or fiction.
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#408093 - 09/29/08 03:10 AM Re: Young man doing Tai Chi? [Re: ShaoLimper]
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Probably cos that's how a lot of people learn it and how it's marketed to many. Yang is probably the most widespread of the senior styles. With Chen, it is pretty hard in parts and not as soft as Yang is made out to be.

Also "Taoist Tai Chi" is based on Yang so there might be some confusion there as Taoist is a non-combat style.
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#408094 - 09/29/08 05:24 AM Re: Young man doing Tai Chi? [Re: trevek]
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Well, that is interesting! Regardless, if 'Pure' Yang style has the same body connections as Chen, then they are both an amazingly deadly art.

Thanks!
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#408095 - 09/29/08 07:15 AM Re: Young man doing Tai Chi? [Re: ShaoLimper]
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you're welcome.

With rgards to OP wanting to look good in the park, TC is done slowly so the chicks will have more time to check out your pecs.

I think Chen would suit you.
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#408096 - 10/31/08 06:37 PM Re: Young man doing Tai Chi? [Re: trevek]
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New here and new to chinese martial arts [just took my first wushu class two days ago and LOVED it] people really might surprise you. I first observed the class that I am taking now and my initial reaction was "oh crap there's a 60+ year old lady in it" which threw me off a little but, then I wrote it off as "oh well she's in tai chi" because my teacher knows many chinese MA. well when I went in for my first class I found myself asking HER questions haha and she really is a cool lady. I would say find a school and check it out you can probably get a free lesson/observation out of them. [actually they usually automatically offer you a free lesson if you inquire about the class] but like I said you might be surprised how much fun you have even if they are elderly people. [that might not even be the case they could very well be the same age as you]. If you want to do it in public in my personal opinion tai chi looks very cool the movments flow into each other and are really sweet looking in my opinion. So I guess my advice is 1.)Don't care so much about the age of the people in the class, worry about their character and how good the teacher is 2.)watch some videos about tai chi on youtube or something to get an idea what the movements are like. 3.) call up a few schools and inquire about price and if you can try a lesson out to see if its for you
remember if they are willing to let you try a free class you have nothing to lose but, a little bit of your time!

good luck with it and I hope you find a martial art that suits you !

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#423134 - 10/26/09 09:25 AM Re: Young man doing Tai Chi? [Re: uhhuh]
riggerrob Offline
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Registered: 10/23/09
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Loc: some where in the woods of Vir...
I start Yang Taiji at a Parks and Rec class for several reasons: 1) I needed to fill my time as I am unemployed, 2) the health benefits, I suffer joint aches from the waist down, 3) have always loved MA but never involved in them. My class is full of little old ladies. I find it fun in that they are more then happy to have a young guy around (47 I am).
As I have progressed my Sifu is starting to explain the applications of this practice, not so the old ladies or myself can use them in fighting but because it is what it is. A healthy, productive, fighting style. He is also helping me on the side as I barter some work at his place for instruction time.
I cringe at the fact that someone wants to look good while working out in the park or anywhere for that matter. I think the essence of the practice will be lost in need to feed ones Id.

Please try it for your inner self, not the ego.

Just my two cents.

Peace, Rob

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#423167 - 10/27/09 03:34 PM Re: Young man doing Tai Chi? [Re: riggerrob]
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Hi Guys - just picked up on this.... here's a part of an article I've recently written about Yang Tai Chi as a 'skirmish' art that might help, I think the full article appears in next month's Martial Arts Illustrated...

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The founder of the Yang style, Yang Lu Chan, was the son of a farmer who loved the Martial Arts and had studied Shaolin Hung Quan with a local instructor before studying in the Chen family village under Chen style Master Chen Chang Xin. Yang Lu Chan was his most talented student and eventually returned to his home village at Yung Nien where he taught for a living. He was undefeated locally and in his travels where he won many matches utilising his soft and yielding art that as a result became known as ‘mien quan’ (cotton boxing) or hua quan (neutralising boxing). ‘Cotton boxing’ because for the opponent, it was like putting their hands into soft cotton and finding a needle in the middle!

By the time he was middle aged Yang taught at the Imperial Court and was tested by experts many times and never defeated, this earned him the title ‘Yang the Invincible’. He became the martial arts instructor to the Shen Ji Battalion and taught in the Royal Households earning the title .Ba Yeh’ (Eight Lords) because eight princes studied under him.

Teaching at the Imperial Court was a grave responsibility in that he was obliged to teach well or it would be considered treason with a probable death sentence! It also gave Yang the opportunity to meet with and compare his skills with the best in the land.

Yang was a hard taskmaster to his three sons with one dying early, one attempting suicide and one frequently running away and attempting to become a monk. Eventually both remaining sons became masters in their own right and both taught at the Imperial Court.

‘Cotton boxing’ is an interesting term because it indicates where the vital secret of Yang Tai Chi Chuan lies. In combat the mind tends to be coarse and responds only to harsh and sudden movement ignoring the soft and sensitive. The Tai Chi practitioner develops the skill of ‘four ounces to move a thousand pounds’ and when the opponents mind is going coarse, his becomes more sensitive and works on a subliminal level neutralizing the opponents force with light touches, sticking, following, redirecting and controlling with power connected from the feet and legs up through the core, manipulated by the waist and out through he hands. The ‘soft’ strikes carry that same connected power that although deceptively soft, carries the ‘kick’ of a donkey!

It becomes a ‘skirmish art’ because the body moves in that framed, posturally aligned and internally connected manner and is able to repel attackers from any direction at any time. I remember when I talked about ‘fa jin’ being ‘like a whip’ to Ma Lee Yang she thought about it for a moment and then said that it was more like a ‘pin ball machine’. This troubled me for ages, as I couldn’t see her point until I grasped the double helix and the ability to bounce or send power to any point of the body and in any direction in an instant. A whip has vulnerable points in its’ movement and is committed – the pinball isn’t.

It makes the martial aspect of Tai Chi very different to that of most other martial arts. I don’t think there is a ‘best’ art, only the best art for the character of each student. It’s never the art, but the person that practices it that makes it efficient.

Good Yang style Tai Chi as a ‘skirmish’ art certainly suits doormen, security personnel and law enforcement officers. I have taught all 3 categories successfully for over 3 decades. Sometimes you have to search for the right instructor and art and not be put off or be influenced by others or by the first instructors you meet. It can take as much time and effort to find the right instructor as the actual training itself! People have often said to me “I always knew it was there in Tai Chi, it was just not easy to find”…..


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#423177 - 10/27/09 10:47 PM Re: Young man doing Tai Chi? [Re: Bossman]
riggerrob Offline
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Registered: 10/23/09
Posts: 4
Loc: some where in the woods of Vir...
Hey Bossman,

Nice article. It is much in line with the info I have read on other sites. Maybe you could help me find some good links to sound info as there is a lot of crap on the net as well. My Sifu is teaching me out of the book "Tai Chi, Ten minutes to Health". It is good for working on posture and form but I am looking for the rest of the story. I know there is more to Tai Chi then just being healthy.

I would love to read the rest of your article.

Peace, Rob

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#423182 - 10/28/09 05:06 AM Re: Young man doing Tai Chi? [Re: riggerrob]
Bossman Offline
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Registered: 08/25/03
Posts: 1785
Loc: Chatham Kent UK
There's a mass of info and mine and Gavin's (from this forum) blogs at http://themartialarchive.com/ there's also a lot of good taiji info at http://www.itcca.it/peterlim/index.htm.

After publication the article will appear on the Martial Archive.
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#423229 - 10/29/09 03:02 PM Re: Young man doing Tai Chi? [Re: Bossman]
james d hooper Offline
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Registered: 09/04/09
Posts: 3
...i began the study of taijiquan after 15 yrs study of various styles..wado ryu karate..wing chun..shaolin.etc...taijiquan helped tremendously in improving my knowledge..learning how to intercept..yield..lead and issue fa jing through tui shou is a great tool for anyone..and can benefit any art..

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