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#408082 - 09/19/08 10:30 AM Re: Young man doing Tai Chi? [Re: BeANumberOneMan]
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Tai Chi may very well help your health then. Again, if you give us a clue to where you can travel to train, we may be able to find some schools for you ro check out and give advice on schools that look suspect.


That said, if you want something just for "show" then Tai Chi or internal arts maybe aren't the way to go. To quote Mike Patterson "Where IMA (Internal Martial Arts) are concerned, feeling is believing". In other words they are called internal arts for a reason. Its about whats happening on the inside rather than the outside.

You have to decide what is more appropriate to your training: your health or doing moves that other people will consider "cool".

IMA are about what is going on inside, external factors e.g. how it "looks" have nothing to do with IMA. Maybe Tai Chi wouldn't be appropriate for you if this is what you are looking for.
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#408083 - 09/19/08 01:22 PM Re: Young man doing Tai Chi? [Re: BeANumberOneMan]
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#408084 - 09/19/08 01:57 PM Re: Young man doing Tai Chi? [Re: BeANumberOneMan]
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Thanks to the anonymity of the Internet, I will say that in perfect honesty, I want to be able to go to the park in the morning with my shirt off and do some kind of cool-looking kata-type movements. Think Patrick Swayze from Roadhouse. Yoga would be inappropriate for this because of its unusual positioning.

You may want to write me off as some vain young kid who ought to grow up and know better, but before you do, know that I suffer from chronic joint pain, and I figure that karate would be too strenuous. I got into bodybuilding to rebuild my health. I figure if tai chi is doable for the arthritic eldery, I can do it even with my joint pain.




I applaud your honesty. Try it out and see if you like it.
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#408085 - 09/19/08 05:23 PM Re: Young man doing Tai Chi? [Re: BeANumberOneMan]
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Depending on the style of tai chi. Taijiquan [Chen Style Tai Chi] is a fighting art, literally traslated as Ultimate Fist. Yang style is not a fighting art, but is just as good for your health in the unified body and mind and spirit idea.
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#408086 - 09/19/08 07:40 PM Re: Young man doing Tai Chi? [Re: BeANumberOneMan]
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Hello

<<Wow, I'm surprised at how many responses I've gotten.

It is always interesting what draws someones attention to a given thread. You've gotten some interesting responses.

<<any kind of martial application is a non-issue for me.

I too have virtually no usage in my life for "martial skills" being a necessity. However that being said, the intensity of that martial art practice(s) produce experiences of great and obscenely practical value but whether they are a byproduct or intentional function is a different debate.

Hatha-Yoga, another art/practice which is not quite what it appears on the surface. However if your goal is ~dating~ etceteria then hatha-yoga would be an excellent practice

There are many activities which by their perceived nature
many people write-off, unfortunately. Is there a diagnosis for your joint pain? Certainly there are methods of karate which will be too strenous, but guarantee you that is not the case for all of us.

Depends almost entirely upon the teacher (as always).
See whats easily available to you, let us know...

Jeff

You may want to write me off as some vain young kid who ought to grow up and know better, before you do, know that I suffer from chronic joint pain, and I figure that karate would be too strenuous. I got into bodybuilding to rebuild my health. I figure if tai chi is doable for the arthritic eldery, I can do it even with my joint pain.



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#408087 - 09/20/08 06:13 AM Re: Young man doing Tai Chi? [Re: BeANumberOneMan]
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You may want to write me off as some vain young kid who ought to grow up and know better, but before you do, know that I suffer from chronic joint pain, and I figure that karate would be too strenuous. I got into bodybuilding to rebuild my health. I figure if tai chi is doable for the arthritic eldery, I can do it even with my joint pain.




Your honesty is commendable. Chronic pain is hard to live with. If you find something to make you feel better about yourself, then go for it.

I too suffer from chronic joint pain. I still do karate, however I suffer after each class! I feel no such effects from taiji.

Like gym work, I suspect it will be okay for your body (I do both and find them to be an excellent combination).

Before my arthritis was under control it got to a point that all I could do was light aqua-aerobics. I was in the pool with a bunch of 65 year old women. It didn't phase me, nor should this phase you. And you'll be surprised who else is doing taiji. Look around at different schools if you like - you might find one with a higher number of "younger" students.

Good luck.
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#408088 - 09/25/08 05:59 AM Re: Young man doing Tai Chi? [Re: ShaoLimper]
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Yang style is not a fighting art





Pray tell why???? Also could you tell that to my Sifu coz he hits bloody hard which I really don't think is good for my health!


Edited by Gavin (09/25/08 06:03 AM)
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#408089 - 09/25/08 05:13 PM Re: Young man doing Tai Chi? [Re: ShaoLimper]
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Yang style is not a fighting art,




Like Gavin, I know folk who could convince you otherwise. Funny a not-fighting art uses so many weapons.
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#408090 - 09/28/08 11:08 AM Re: Young man doing Tai Chi? [Re: ShaoLimper]
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Depending on the style of tai chi. Taijiquan [Chen Style Tai Chi] is a fighting art, literally traslated as Ultimate Fist. Yang style is not a fighting art, but is just as good for your health in the unified body and mind and spirit idea.




This appears to me to be an uninformed blanket statement. What kind of validation do you have to back up your statement?
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#408091 - 09/28/08 11:53 AM Re: Young man doing Tai Chi? [Re: ShaoLimper]
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Taijiquan [Chen Style Tai Chi] is a fighting art, literally traslated as Ultimate Fist.




bzzzzz! not quite.

while chen style is generally considered the original style of taijiquan, all the five major family styles are still considered to be taijiquan.

AND "ultimate fist" is not quite the lit. translation. it's impossible to do a lit. translation of most CMA names, since any given word can have several meaning depending on the context, so some lit. translations might be "grand ultimate fist", "huge extreme fist", but a lit. translation is no good anyway, since in chinese, when you combine two different words into a combination like say "taiji" it takes on a whole new meaning.

for instance, "tian" can mean "heavan" or simply "sky" and "xia" can mean "dropping/moving down" or "below/under", but when taken together become "the whole world" even though the lit. translation of "tian xia" is "under heavan/below the sky" which doesn't make a whole lot of sense in most cases.

so in this case "taiji" becomes shorthand for an entire set of principles and a philosophy dealing with the cycles of change in nature (i.e. the alternation of yin and yang). while "quan" lit. means fist, it has the sense of "boxing" or "martial art" in the same way that "muay" means for "muay thai" or "thai boxing".

so, all together and in context taijiquan means something like "the martial art based on the principles and philosophy of the alternation of yin and yang", which is a mouthful and might as well be left simply as "taijiquan".
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