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#407444 - 09/14/08 06:07 AM Hmm... Okay....
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_biWkxuYOY

Okay....

I dare anyone to sit on their knees like that and receive one of my roundhouses.

I doubt there's going to be anyone who'll be able to stand up without going "ouch! You (censored) twit, kick softer!"

Not really impressed by their co-operativeness. But then again, it's just training and the whole 'flow with each other' mindset that p!sses me off again. The dudes doesn't even pretend to kick before he gets thrown, and the thrower is a psychic all of a sudden.

oh wells...

Note; I'm not bashing Aikido, just the training method used by these numbskulls in the video.

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#407445 - 09/14/08 11:30 AM Re: Hmm... Okay.... [Re: Taison]
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#407446 - 09/14/08 11:42 AM Re: Hmm... Okay.... [Re: grumbleweed]
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Agreed, Taison. Although I liked the angles they were working.
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#407447 - 09/14/08 07:48 PM Re: Hmm... Okay.... [Re: Taison]
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3 general comments... actually more observations than comments...

1. Some aikidoka really do need to learn how to strike and kick. If anything, at least it gives your training partner something a bit more realistic to work with. Most aikidoka talk about giving "honest" and "sincere" attacks. To me, that's neither. Honest and sincere means "f*ing HIT me Biatch!"...

2. Whilst I understand the need for training safety and wotnot... learning to do a proper breakfall is indispensable in any MA, as is learning how to do a proper takedown from a kick.

3. Some people really shouldn't put stuff on YouTube... it's a terrible waste of bandwidth.

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#407448 - 09/15/08 12:15 PM Re: Hmm... Okay.... [Re: eyrie]
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hey eyrie ,

can you link us to some aikido who 'demonstrate' how to kick and punch with some intent against the partner ?

that would be good to see,
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#407449 - 09/15/08 01:45 PM Re: Hmm... Okay.... [Re: shoshinkan]
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shoshinkan,

I think you are missing an important point: you don't see aikidoka going at it with "intent" because that is not part of their paradigm. You see, aikido is so sophisticated it operates in a different modality than other martial arts. Most martial arts operate in a modality called THE REAL WORLD. Aikido is far too elevated and spiritual to go there!

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#407450 - 09/15/08 02:56 PM Re: Hmm... Okay.... [Re: fileboy2002]
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Fileboy,

Back off a bit.

I allow argumen.. debates between members.
I don't allow art bashing in these forums though.

First Yellow card. 2 yellows, you get a red.

You may now continue on.

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#407451 - 09/15/08 04:28 PM Re: Hmm... Okay.... [Re: Taison]
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Okay, I'll try to rephrase it:

Shoshinkan,

You are unlikely to find video of aikidoka actively resisting each other because active resistence is not a method aikido often uses. They prefer a collaborative approach where uke and nage act together to work through the proper execution of techniques.

Decide for yourself whether such an approach would develop practical self-defense skills.

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#407452 - 09/15/08 04:43 PM Re: Hmm... Okay.... [Re: shoshinkan]
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Well, here is another Aikido Demo. The first minute or so has some stuff against kicks. I am by no means an expert in kicking, but it has a bit more intent and, IMHO, form with regards to kicks than those in the clip Taison posted. Again though, its only a demo, ableit a slightly more sharper one IMO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srzutokpJyo
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#407453 - 09/15/08 04:59 PM Re: Hmm... Okay.... [Re: shoshinkan]
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Some more clips:

Kick defence at the start of this one is pretty sharp:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXMoFgH6UYc

Here is a quality clip, really good movement:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_1HgO-BhFk

Again, these are only demos, they are not "ultimate self defense" clips, which as we all know, is the only reason to do anything, GRRRRRRR!!!!
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