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#406707 - 09/10/08 02:24 AM Re: Real or Fake? [Re: eyrie]
IExcalibui2 Offline
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age doesnt determine everything....my Grandmaster who passed away was still pretty able when he reached his 90s.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k5e6kQtF6A&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyNmV2Y43ko&feature=related

though I'd agree with you that those guys are jumping back on their own in video that was posted up in the beginning. The man barely moved & the guys jumped back 3 feet....doesnt make sense
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#406708 - 09/10/08 04:11 AM Re: Real or Fake? [Re: IExcalibui2]
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Cool vids... especially the 2nd one... what a hoot!

You're looking for a mystical explanation when there is none. That's why it doesn't make sense. Try Newton's 3rd law... every action has an equal and opposite _______ ? The more force the person adds, the more they push themselves off.

Obviously, there is a structural limit to your "frame", but that's the whole purpose of "conditioning"... no?

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#406709 - 09/10/08 04:11 AM Re: Real or Fake? [Re: DeadlyKnuckles]
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What I see in that video is the same I saw in the video in question - non-resistant cooperation.




some of you are just being outright belligerent.

the initial clip isn't even a demo. this is a demo clip.

both the initial clip, and the earlier one i posted are of snips of video shot during A CLASS.

do you guys resist and act non-cooperatively every time your instructor shows you something? if so, how do you ever get anywhere?
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#406710 - 09/10/08 04:26 AM Re: Real or Fake? [Re: ashe_higgs]
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some of you are just being outright belligerent.



belligerent? lol
some of you are being outright dumb

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the initial clip isn't even a demo. this is a demo clip.



Dude, Im not the most experienced martial artist around, but honestly.. I cant help but laugh at these videos. What is that stuff meant to do? A guy grabs his hands, he raises them slightly and the guy flies back. jesus it just looks silly.

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do you guys resist and act non-cooperatively every time your instructor shows you something? if so, how do you ever get anywhere?



no, but straight after we know the technique we attempt to apply it full force in sparring. or else its totally useless isnt it? and if our instructor showed us some half assed move that looked like it would hurt a fly, id have something to say about it.

Still cant believe people think that stuff works

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#406711 - 09/10/08 05:20 AM Re: Real or Fake? [Re: ashe_higgs]
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The problem I have with these type of clips, and the 'internal' aspect of MA, is that those who study and teach them form an environment of belief in the intangible- Ki, chi, lifeforce, whatever you want to call it, its a definition of the indefinable. You have to take it on faith.

In such an environment, evryone involved is complicit in wanting it to work, and so it does. I dont think for a second that when a faith healer lays on hands and the recipient passess out, or starts the St.Vitus dance, anyone is faking anything, they feel what they feel, but its not the laying of the hands itself that has the effect, its the environment, and the psychological state of all present that allows it to happen.

i understand the concept of using someones energy against them- if you are lucky enough to catch a persons momentum, you can up-end them very easily, a judo 'drop-throw' just allows the victim to throw their face into the mat- stuff like that I understand- that is biomechanics.

Eyrie brought up newton's law, but most 'internal' demonstrations rely on no action causing an excessive opposite reaction. Thats not physics. Thats cr4p.
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#406712 - 09/10/08 05:34 AM Re: Real or Fake? [Re: Cord]
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in other words, people who do all that 5 on 1 hand wavy chi knockout stuff, are delusional.


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#406713 - 09/10/08 05:39 AM Re: Real or Fake? [Re: TheCrab]
Cord Offline
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It doesnt matter anyway, the Large Hadron Collider experiment will soon rip a hole in the universe and chi, ki and left hooks will all get sucked into nothing along with everything else
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#406714 - 09/10/08 05:43 AM Re: Real or Fake? [Re: Cord]
TheCrab Offline
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on that topic.
Im gonna be really [censored] off if I get warped into nothingness or some crap

but wasnt it meant to start like an hour ago?

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#406715 - 09/10/08 06:21 AM Re: Real or Fake? [Re: TheCrab]
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but wasnt it meant to start like an hour ago?



It did. There are no actual collisions scheduled until the twenty-first of next month, though.

The internal demonstrations I've seen have all been very effective and performed on sceptics and belligerent folk. On the other hand, they've all involved contact with the opponent somehow.
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#406716 - 09/10/08 06:34 AM Re: Real or Fake? [Re: ThomsonsPier]
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but wasnt it meant to start like an hour ago?



It did. There are no actual collisions scheduled until the twenty-first of next month, though.

The internal demonstrations I've seen have all been very effective and performed on sceptics and belligerent folk. On the other hand, they've all involved contact with the opponent somehow.




Then how is it different than external ma?
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