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#406677 - 09/09/08 08:07 AM Real or Fake?
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Check this vid:

http://www.fightingarts.com/ubbthreads/s...page=0&vc=1

Dos this appear to be real or fake? Please vote and explain your choice.
Real or fake?
Only one choice allowed


Votes accepted starting: 09/09/08 08:07 AM
View the results of this poll.
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#406678 - 09/09/08 08:14 AM Re: Real or Fake? [Re: MattJ]
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fake

simply because I fail to see how an old man moving his arm a little can make grown men jump away like they have been electrocuted.


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#406679 - 09/09/08 08:56 AM Re: Real or Fake? [Re: TheCrab]
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well if you know how the trick works you still go along with it.
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#406680 - 09/09/08 09:01 AM Re: Real or Fake? [Re: skinters]
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Just playing Devil's advocate here...the common wisdom on this site appears to be: don't learn from a video...that videos don't contain the information, or can't convey all the dimensions of learning. 'Seek a qualified instructor.'

http://www.fightingarts.com/ubbthreads/s...=0#Post15792596

And yet...one expects to determine whether or not something is 'fake' from a video?

I don't speak Chinese...what is the old guy saying? To my uneducated eyes...all I 'see' is a basic demonstration of 'kuzushi'...body mechanics.

That aspect isn't fake...only cooperative.

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#406681 - 09/09/08 09:07 AM Re: Real or Fake? [Re: harlan]
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It was offered by someone here on the forum as evidence of good IMA. I'm curious how others percieve it.

I do not agree that people can't learn from video, although that is obviously not the best choice.

Quote:

That aspect isn't fake...only cooperative.




Hmmmm........good point. I guess I mean "fake" in the sense that it couldn't be done without cooperation ie; no martial value.


Edited by MattJ (09/09/08 09:12 AM)
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#406682 - 09/09/08 09:30 AM Re: Real or Fake? [Re: MattJ]
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Seen it before and discussed it; FAKE FAKE FAKE.

Anybody thinks that this is real needs their meds upped.
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#406683 - 09/09/08 10:23 AM Re: Real or Fake? [Re: Dereck]
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I saw this video before when I stumbled across it on youtube.
Although I have seen some pretty amazing Bagua demonstrations, this one has a sense of fakeness about it.

Even in Aikido I have met some very high level teachers who can break your balance with most subtle, nearly indetectable, of moves. But this video is just "not right".

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#406684 - 09/09/08 12:57 PM Re: Real or Fake? [Re: harlan]
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That aspect isn't fake...only cooperative.





As soon as muggers and drunkards become 'cooperative' then I will be more inclined to see this kind of stuff as something other than a parlour trick. Until that happens, its not for me.

'Fake'? No.
'Unapplicable in the real world'? You bet.
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#406685 - 09/09/08 01:03 PM Re: Real or Fake? [Re: Cord]
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Yeah...I don't really expect unarmed, 94 year olds to show a great deal of MA prowess myself.

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#406686 - 09/09/08 01:25 PM Re: Real or Fake? [Re: harlan]
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A part of me wants to be evil and kick this oldman's @ss, and the dumb@ss's perpetuating that this is real in the video.

Tell me, why do people believe in crap like this? Why do people show they can do crap like this and try to pass it off as real? People like that are looking for an @ss kicking in my books. If I knew somebody locally that was putting crap like this up I would feel obligated to visit and challenge them to try it on me and then help them up from their beat down.

Who's worse, the people doing this or the people believing it is real?
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