FightingArts Estore
Pressure Points
From a medical professional, straight facts on where and how to hit that can save your life.
Stretching
Limber or not, anyone can add height and speed to their kicks with this method.
Calligraphy
For yourself or as a gift, calligraphy is special, unique and lasting.
Karate Uniforms
Look your best. Max snap. low cost & superior crafted: “Peak Performance Gold” 16 oz uniforms.

MOTOBU
Classic book translation. Hard to find. Not in stores.
Who's Online
0 registered (), 31 Guests and 4 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Newest Members
TomRosenberg, jessylin, play, Keith_G, LeroyCFischer
22937 Registered Users
Top Posters (30 Days)
jwwmantis 2
William_Bent 1
simonajones111 1
futsaowingchun 1
Zombie Zero 1
December
Su M Tu W Th F Sa
1 2 3 4 5 6
7 8 9 10 11 12 13
14 15 16 17 18 19 20
21 22 23 24 25 26 27
28 29 30 31
New Topics
Freeing Hand-Wing Chun's last movements
by futsaowingchun
Yesterday at 09:40 PM
2015 Master Yang Jwing-Ming Seminar
by jwwmantis
12/05/14 10:36 PM
unrecognized kata
by William_Bent
11/19/14 07:05 PM
I gained a lot of month in the last few months
by simonajones111
11/19/14 04:54 AM
Where Are They Now?
by Dobbersky
05/30/13 08:08 AM
The Beginners Guide To Stretching
by
12/27/06 11:43 AM
Your true goal
by
03/03/06 07:16 AM
Recent Posts
Freeing Hand-Wing Chun's last movements
by futsaowingchun
Yesterday at 09:40 PM
Your true goal
by Beefcake
12/11/14 02:44 AM
The Beginners Guide To Stretching
by LeroyCFischer
12/04/14 02:07 AM
unrecognized kata
by William_Bent
11/19/14 07:05 PM
I gained a lot of month in the last few months
by simonajones111
11/19/14 04:54 AM
Forum Stats
22937 Members
36 Forums
35591 Topics
432526 Posts

Max Online: 424 @ 09/24/13 10:38 PM
Page 5 of 5 < 1 2 3 4 5
Topic Options
#406021 - 09/18/08 09:14 PM Re: Tight fist = tense arm? [Re: Zach_Zinn]
Saisho Offline
more than just a pretty face

Registered: 06/26/06
Posts: 620
Loc: Dayton, Ohio
"Wouldn't the (common extensor and flexor tension) differ a bit depending on supination/pronation of the forearm and extension/flexion of the wrist though? In most puching these come into play as well don't they?"

Yes. In supination, they are more lax than in pronation. However, both are more lax in elbow flexion than extension. So by using the 'If A>B>C, then A>C' philosophy, elbow extension with pronation is the most tight while elbow flexion with supination is the most lax.

With that in mind, my punches start high in the chamber with elbow flexion and supination and the pronation does not occur until just before impact when the elbow is fully extended.

"Hmmm...I figured they didn't play the same major role as biceps or brachialis, but I didn't think their colelctive effect on flexion of the elbow was that minor, though it make sense I suppose."

The little effect is due to the small lever arm and the relatively small mass of muscle compared to the others mentioned.

"It still leads me to believe that for most folks the answer (and seemingly MA experience has backed this up) is that yes, you will be a bit slower if your fist is super tightly clenched prior to punching, perhaps not because of this specifically, maybe it is a sympathetic thing with tension elsewhere."

Yes, the reason most people have any negative effect from a tight fist is due to the overflow of tightening into other muscles. The little effect the common flexors and extensors could have is minimized further if the punch turns over at the last minute.

In fact, try this. Make a tight fist and chamber it high. Snap your hips and let the punch fly with NO purposefull shoulder flexion or elbow pronation. It will be a little less than controlled, but you will feel a very fast punch with an automatic pronation at the very end of elbow extension. It is how the joint moves when allowed to move on its own.

"Anyway I wasn't trying to do anything weird with jargon or anything, my assumption was there are plenty of people on here with the background to know exactly what i'm talking about and roll with it, and maybe explain some stuff to me."

You may be right

"I don't think i'm offending anyone here by talking about it, there are certainly less productive threads! "

You are certainly right there!
_________________________
Tony Partlow Shogen-Ryu Karate-Do Minamoto Shibu Dojo http://martialartsfriends.com/Shogen

Top
#406022 - 09/19/08 11:42 PM Re: Tight fist = tense arm? [Re: Saisho]
shitosempei Offline
Member

Registered: 04/16/08
Posts: 28
I , for one , have enjoyed , and benefited from ,the education that this thread has given me. I have often wondered about the difference , thanks ......

Top
Page 5 of 5 < 1 2 3 4 5


Moderator:  Cord, MattJ, Reiki, WhiteDragon11 




Action Ads
1.5 Million Plus Page Views
Monthly
Only $89
Details

Ryukyu Art
Artifacts from the Ryukyu Kingdom missing since WWII. Visit www.ShisaLion.Org to view pictures

Best Stun Guns
Self Defense Products-stun guns, pepper spray, tasers and more

Surveillance 4U
Complete surveillance systems for covert operations or secure installation security

Asylum Images
Book presents photo tour of the Trans-Allegany Lunatic Asylum. A must if you're going to take a ghost tour!

 



Unbreakable Unbrella

krav maga