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#403218 - 07/27/08 07:17 PM Support YOUR FA.com
eyrie Offline
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Registered: 12/28/04
Posts: 3106
Loc: QLD, Australia
In light of the recent mass exodus and the ensuing discussions of ads and ad sizes, I took the liberty of starting this thread, to generate some ideas of how we, as a Martial Arts community, can help support this online portal and community.

I only ask that the discussion be kept civil and respectful and centered on suggestions for generating revenue, other than advertising.

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#403219 - 07/28/08 02:21 PM Re: Support YOUR FA.com [Re: eyrie]
shoshinkan Offline
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Registered: 05/10/05
Posts: 2662
Loc: UK
simple,

get rid of all the dodgy ad's and charge a small 1/4ly fee for membership, ie to make posts.

This would have the knock on effect of us not needing 'thousands' of members, 80% of which are not martial artists anyhow, and also stopping the trolls overnight - which would increase the quality of posting and make life easier for the mod's.

I would pay a little for membership rights, ie to post, see the articles, have a vote on forum policy etc etc.

Of course something like this would never happen but im just saying................
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#403220 - 07/28/08 06:30 PM Re: Support YOUR FA.com [Re: shoshinkan]
eyrie Offline
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Registered: 12/28/04
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Personally, I don't mind the AJ model. Full articles being available to paid subscribers and only paid subscribers can participate in the forum. I think it engenders a higher quality of participation all round.

Alternatively, Aikiweb uses a donation system. Contributing members are entitled "frills", like additional PM mailbox sizes and enlarged photo galleries.

Bear in mind this is only for community discussion purposes... I leave it to Mr Caile and the FA board of directors to take these suggestions into consideration. Caeveat I do not represent FA, Mr Caile or the board in any capacity.

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#403221 - 07/31/08 05:43 PM Re: Support YOUR FA.com [Re: eyrie]
underdog Offline
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Registered: 09/18/04
Posts: 1270
Loc: Mansfield, MA U.S.A.
I agree with a small fee. The best forum that I participate in regularly, charges an annual fee. The difference is that fee accompanies a teaching system and the forum supports the teaching system and FA would not be like that. However, a fee, even a small one, discourages trolls and inappropriate advertisers.
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#403222 - 09/22/08 05:30 PM Re: Support YOUR FA.com [Re: underdog]
Dereck Offline
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$5.00 - $10.00 life time membership; sign me up if you get rid of the ads.
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#403223 - 09/22/08 06:25 PM Re: Support YOUR FA.com [Re: Dereck]
Cord Offline
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I just want a spam filter to prevent these damn posts with links from 'idiotBS' or whatever name derivative pops up.

The ad banners just dont bother me that much- i dont avoid TV because of ads, nor avoid driving streets with billboards.
The spam posts, however, are like door to door salesmen, and I hate that.

If you start asking me to pay to talk on here, then I am sorry, I will be gone. If I ad up the amount of time I have spent offering training advice, and devising training schedules for people on here, and then apply my old rates as a trainer, I have given away well over $40,000 of help for free. I am not going to pay for the privelidge of talking to people and helping them out.
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#403224 - 09/23/08 05:07 AM Re: Support YOUR FA.com [Re: Cord]
Taison Offline
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Registered: 09/06/05
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Charge whatever you want,

The moment they charge me, the I'm out.

I've contributed quite a lot and I've shared lots of stuff that people pays sh!t loads to just touch the surface here in Thailand.

~Donnie
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#403225 - 09/23/08 02:23 PM Re: Support YOUR FA.com [Re: Taison]
BrianS Offline
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Loc: Northwest Arkansas
I would be in favor of supporting a well regulated site with useful information and a little fun discussing things.

Too bad I'm not describing this place at the moment.
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#403226 - 09/23/08 05:47 PM Re: Support YOUR FA.com [Re: BrianS]
Cord Offline
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Quote:

I would be in favor of supporting a well regulated site with useful information and a little fun discussing things.

Too bad I'm not describing this place at the moment.




Do you think maybe we (as in the 'old timers') have simply exhausted the possibilities of using words to intellectualize a physical persuit?
Maybe we have answered, or had answered for us, all the questions we could ever have on what is, arguably, a narrow field of interest.
Is all that is left the argument over what we feel we know, as opposed to the discovery of new information?

I have posted my opinion before, that I believe this site is cyclical. Maybe we need to step back, and let a new 'generation' of members come forward and ask all the questions that we have asked over the last few years- we cant just say 'read old threads/stickies/FAQ's' because we didnt!, we had a lot of fun developing friendships as we bounced those questions around for ourselves.
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#403227 - 09/23/08 06:40 PM Re: Support YOUR FA.com [Re: Cord]
BrianS Offline
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Maybe,but there are so many other sites that don't seem to have that problem.
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#403228 - 09/24/08 02:15 AM Re: Support YOUR FA.com [Re: BrianS]
Cord Offline
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Maybe,but there are so many other sites that don't seem to have that problem.




But are they saying anything different, or is it just different people saying it?

Or is it maybe the increased freedom on other forums in regards to conduct that allows things to flow more freely?
The only other forum's I have used have been 1 about movies and 1 about punk music- both have been full of abuse, mod power abuse, threads allowed to go off topic, and essentialy as close to truly 'free speech' as possible. This does mean that idiocy is given free reign with only other members to shout it down if they so choose, but it certainly keeps the post count high
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#403229 - 09/24/08 09:21 AM Re: Support YOUR FA.com [Re: Cord]
harlan Offline
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Registered: 07/31/04
Posts: 6664
Loc: Amherst, MA
Having been banned a few times from other martial arts sites...I can attest that it's not the increased freedom that keeps a modicum of civility. It's the heavy modding, instant banning, as well as a level of self-moderation by the members. The owners of two MA sites are very active...and will ban on a whim.

There's an old saying, 'Don't poop where you eat.' You (not directed at 'you' Cord...the general, plural 'you') may not mind your own excrement, but members at other sites do...and get rid of you quick.

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Or is it maybe the increased freedom on other forums in regards to conduct that allows things to flow more freely?
The only other forum's I have used have been 1 about movies and 1 about punk music- both have been full of abuse, mod power abuse, threads allowed to go off topic, and essentialy as close to truly 'free speech' as possible. This does mean that idiocy is given free reign with only other members to shout it down if they so choose, but it certainly keeps the post count high



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#403230 - 09/24/08 10:56 AM Re: Support YOUR FA.com [Re: harlan]
BrianS Offline
Higher rank than you
Professional Poster

Registered: 11/04/05
Posts: 5959
Loc: Northwest Arkansas
Yep, I was banned from karateforums because I wasn't in agreeance with the crowd. I wasn't rude and just stated my opinion..no loss there.

I was banned form e-budo,but I can't remember why.

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#403231 - 09/25/08 01:39 AM Re: Support YOUR FA.com [Re: BrianS]
Leo_E_49 Offline
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Registered: 02/24/05
Posts: 4117
Loc: California
If there was FA.com merchandise and related material, I know that I'd buy it.

I was thinking, for example, what if we took some of the main contributors to the forum and collected the info from our posts over the years to make into a small text which could be sold in the website's store? (with the appropriate permission of course) I'd even give the info away free if it would help with reviving the site. Admittedly, it's really unlikely that this sort of thing would happen, but that's the kind of material that sells really well on these kinds of websites.

There's got to be a reason for people to come here other than just for being referred to the FAQs. Maybe setting up some kind of regular article posting from some of the more experienced members of the forum, kind of like a weekly or fortnightly article on some aspect of MA? I'd be up for writing something every couple of weeks, if I can think of something to write. (Making sure you keep it relevant to your own personal experiences. Some examples of titles could be: The culture of the Asian vs. Western MA classroom or What to expect from your first tournament)

I think that if we want more people to come to the forum, we have to think of them as prospective customers and find out what they really want out of an MA forum. If regulars really want people here, I think we have to put some effort in making the environment worthwhile for visitors. I don't think it's entirely a money issue. The number of people on the site was already falling even before the ads came to FA.

That said, if this sounds like too much hard work, then we could just all find some other site to post on...


Edited by Leo_E_49 (09/25/08 01:43 AM)
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