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#402077 - 10/01/08 05:14 PM Re: update FAQ/rules to include... Hey ZZ!!! [Re: JKogas]
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Quote:


Why couldn't we just not read or delete those PMs we find offensive?



Lmao if you dont read the PM then how would your know it was offensive lol.

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#402078 - 10/01/08 09:22 PM Re: update FAQ/rules to include... Hey ZZ!!! [Re: Kravinatrix]
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Kravinatrix,

It's common sense. If you're being harassed by someone, you'd know this by their first offensive PM, which you would THEN delete, and refuse to further read any subsequent ones by the offender.

At least, that's what I meant to imply

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#402079 - 10/02/08 08:24 AM Re: update FAQ/rules to include... Hey ZZ!!! [Re: JKogas]
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I don't think anyone should have to endure harrassment in order to participate in a community. I think the above statements do not understand that having 'differences of opinion' and taking it to PM...is not the same as harrassment. If one is willing to discuss something via PM...that is fine. The 'take it to PM' is often invoked because two or more strong egos are 'at it'...bashing each other...and messing up the place publicly. If they want to abuse each other, and are willing to do so via PM...that is their perogative. However, once someone states, 'Do not PM me anymore'...further communication by the other constitutes harrassment. Also, as in public posts, any PMs that include verbage that could be construed as 'threatening', or break the basic/stated rules/faqs of the forum should fall under the umbrella of 'harrassment'.

Privately, or publicly, harrassment is not in keeping with the overall mission of this forum...and we should have clarification on it.

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#402080 - 10/02/08 08:35 AM Re: update FAQ/rules to include... Hey ZZ!!! [Re: Zombie Zero]
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I believe we just did.

Quote:

I agree with Kogas on this one. If someone is sending you harassing PMs, you can just delete them unread.

Banning because of PM presents a slippery slope. What if they are sending messages to your email?

Hopefully, when the software is updated, it will include an "ignore this user" function.


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#402081 - 10/02/08 08:39 AM Re: update FAQ/rules to include... Hey ZZ!!! [Re: MattJ]
harlan Offline
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What is the objection to defining harrassment, and addressing it (vs. ignoring it)?

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#402082 - 10/02/08 09:26 AM Re: update FAQ/rules to include... Hey ZZ!!! [Re: harlan]
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you agree to these terms and conditions every time you post and/or read content here - that includes your PM mailbox.

http://www.fightingarts.com/aboutus/terms.php

I'm not a lawyer, but the way I read it is, that they will try and curb objectionable content, but are not obligated to do so. This is a commercial 'use at your own risk' public-accessable forum - which includes anything you voluntarily choose to access and read, including the account mailbox. This isn't like a town meeting hall where we have the right to be here and be heard. It's a commercial site with a registration membership fee that happens to be $0. It isn't constructed so that people may exercise their right of free speech, it's constructed to pull people into advertisment space.

walking into a public town hall and giving your opinion is your right. However, remember that this is not a publically funded site, it's a commercial one.

If a user on a comercial site forum is being abused in any way, what that user should do, in my opinion, is stop using the site, and contact the owner via e-mail....continue to not use the site until a reply/resolution is in place.

If the harrassment is thru your personal e-mail account, then file a complaint with that provider.

In my opinion.

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#402083 - 10/02/08 09:29 AM Re: update FAQ/rules to include... Hey ZZ!!! [Re: Ed_Morris]
harlan Offline
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Thanks, Ed. So, by extension, PM's are covered by these rules, and 'harrassment' falls under the 'objectionable' category.

Sticking point here is that the site owner has little to do with the daily operations of the forum. By default, the moderators/admin are the ones that need to be contacted.

'Profanity, obscene language, insults, criticism of other arts, styles or individuals, or the impersonation of other individuals should be avoided in any Forum Submission. In addition, you may not upload to FightingArts.com, or distribute or otherwise publish through FightingArts.com, any Content or Submissions that are libelous, defamatory, obscene, pornographic, threatening, abusive, illegal or otherwise objectionable, or that constitute or would encourage a criminal offense, violate the rights of any party, or otherwise give rise to liability or violate any law. FightingArts.com reserves the right (but is not obligated) to monitor all Forum Submissions and to remove or refuse to post any communication which FightingArts.com in its sole discretion determines should be removed or not posted."

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#402084 - 10/02/08 09:37 AM Re: update FAQ/rules to include... Hey ZZ!!! [Re: harlan]
MattJ Offline
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Quote:

What is the objection to defining harrassment, and addressing it (vs. ignoring it)?




Wasn't ignoring it, per the rules.
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#402085 - 10/02/08 10:11 AM Re: update FAQ/rules to include... Hey ZZ!!! [Re: MattJ]
harlan Offline
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Sorry, Matt. Miscommunication on my part. Didn't mean to infer you were ignoring the topic.

What I meant, was that there was an idea that we should not take up the topic, and resort to letting the member address it by using an 'ignore' function in new software. Effectively, this is turning a blind eye and admin allowing harrassment to continue and go unaddressed.

The rules are already clear: break them and be banned. Other members complained of perceived harrassment via PM and wanted it clarified. I think Ed has pointed out that it's already covered in the 'Terms...' With clarification, in the future, admin can enforce it. And as members, even moderators are not except.

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#402086 - 10/02/08 10:13 AM Re: update FAQ/rules to include... Hey ZZ!!! [Re: harlan]
MattJ Offline
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No problem, my bad.
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