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#397863 - 06/02/08 05:17 AM Re: On Freedom [Re: jkdwarrior]
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Life and Freedom of what we can - mistery.......

JKD Warior, I respect Your opinion .
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#397864 - 06/02/08 05:26 AM Re: On Freedom [Re: JKogas]
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What is important after all in this huge amount of experiences of others and their lives?

How one can be certain about something? I see, there are problems which we can call universal, we need to know universal answer, and there are personal problems, and only this person is responsible for them.

What Do You think?

I doubt that meditation is the only way of being. To be is simply be, something similar to what You said, to live is simply live. But I believe that every individual is different and because of this, his form of life is different.

Maybe I dig too deep : )
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#397865 - 06/02/08 09:18 PM Re: On Freedom [Re: LifesFist]
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Well the thing is I'm not certain. About anything. I just know that this is what a variety of religions and traditions teach (not that I'm into religion or tradition). I decided to find out more about it so I tried it for myself, and it worked for me.

Meditation is about exploring, and then mastering the mind through thousands of hours of inquisition and practice. One can eventually realise that many of the problems we all encounter need not cause us suffering. The Dalai Lama teaches that if we have a problem, then we sort it out right away or as soon as possible so theres no point in worrying. If we cannot sort out the problem quickly or at all, then we should still not worry about it because the only purpose of this will be to make us feel worse.

Meditation is not the only way either. You could figure out how to end suffering yourself at any time, but meditating does seem to be like taking the express coach.

If my children are running riot, making noise, messing up the place, fighting etc. I don't suffer at these times like many other parents do. I DO feel the stress response, but since I'm used to getting rid of thoughts and emotions, then its almost as if I have an off switch in my head. Even if a blinding fury emerges, all I have to do is realise and it instantly vanishes. The same is true for when I feel jealosy, depression, anxiety, or a range of emotions. When theres a crisis at work, and everyone's running aroud stressed, I can remain calm and indifferent. It really is as if through meditation, one can gain immunity from much of life's suffering. You have to start small in these instances, but over time, you can remain stress free in increasingly stress inducing conditions. I think its a neverending process.

You may be right in that everyone is different, but our bodies and minds are formed of the same things, and develop in the same way, so realistically we're extremely similar. Experiences do mould people and influence them do behave individually, but if you explore deeper, there is usually and underlying reason for this behaviour that is universal.

For example, if 2 men try to chat up a girl, and they are both fearful of approaching her. One person may act super cool or even arrogant to impress her while the other one may stutter and shake. Two completely opposite behaviours, but the motive -in this case fear- is the same. It may appear that we're all different, but our seemingly unpredictable behaviour are all essentially for achieving the same goals.

http://www.doyletics.com/index10.htm

Again meditation is not the only way, but the scientific evidence for its value is extremely strong.
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#397866 - 06/03/08 07:52 AM Re: On Freedom [Re: jkdwarrior]
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Good answer man.

I understand Your attitude. I got Your point about meditation. really, thanks for explaining, it was very interesting to me to read about it. Now I now how it works.

If we try to talk about the same way of life for everyone,then I have more to say.
I believe that human being is not determined by his mind or body. His spirit determines everything. Everything is as You wish. At this point I would say Kimo2007 is closest to the truth with his last post.

I think everyone has the same rights, possibilities. Bad driver and good driver. Car does not have a personal life. Life of a car totally depends on the driver. The same thing with a body and mind. Everything depends on personality and every person in this universe is different from other, In other case You would not recognize this as You don't say that water is made by thousands of thousands of rain drops.


Edited by LifesFist (06/03/08 07:52 AM)
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#397867 - 06/03/08 09:54 PM Re: On Freedom [Re: LifesFist]
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You know how meditation works? I'm still trying to figure it out. lol!

Does the spirit determine everything? I haven't figured this one out either. It does SEEM like spirit, but I haven't experienced enough to be convinced either way. Maybe I'm not worthy of seeing yet.

As for whether or not we are unique, well you could be right. However, I'm going to disagree (still smiling). One of he most predictable of human traits is the belief that we are unpredictable and will behave individually.
Personality variations will of course cause different reactions and experiences, but the "experiencer" at the fundamental level is remarkably similar. Again, maybe I'm blinded to the truth of this one too, but always ready to change my opinion in the light of more convincing evidence.
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#397868 - 06/04/08 12:27 AM Re: On Freedom [Re: jkdwarrior]
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Anyone got any patchouli oil? My burners getting low.

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#397869 - 06/04/08 10:22 AM Re: On Freedom [Re: jkdwarrior]
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What is Spirit? You are. Do You need science to prove that You can make a choice?

It is only my believes. By sharing my believes and trying understand Yours I understand more about my own believes...

You are righ, I only know more about meditation, I forget to put this word only. But anyway You don't know if I know, so You better ask a question, but don't be angry that someone may have what You don't....

These discusions, only a brain sport, a game. I respect You in anyway.

I am Glad That You are smilling in everyway


Edited by LifesFist (06/04/08 10:24 AM)
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#397870 - 06/04/08 10:25 AM Re: On Freedom [Re: LifesFist]
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Burners burners burners, mine too.......
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#397871 - 06/04/08 07:20 PM Re: On Freedom [Re: LifesFist]
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Ok, I get the point, I'll shut up now.
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#397872 - 06/05/08 06:22 AM Re: On Freedom [Re: jkdwarrior]
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To be continued ...
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