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#397843 - 05/30/08 12:04 PM Re: On Freedom [Re: JKogas]
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Is it possible by observing to stay outside causality?

But human being want's to act, to do something. What one can really do? JKD Warrior would say: "simply live" . What does it mean? I think our experiences depends on something, something very personal.

JKogas, do You think freedom is observing?


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#397844 - 05/30/08 12:18 PM Re: On Freedom [Re: LifesFist]
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Is it possible by observing to stay outside causality?




No, merely by being alive, you have affected at least two people - your parents.
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#397845 - 05/30/08 01:43 PM Re: On Freedom [Re: MattJ]
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#397846 - 05/30/08 04:19 PM Re: On Freedom [Re: LifesFist]
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JKogas, do You think freedom is observing?




I think freedom is complete awareness. That would include observation, so I'd say that's probably about right.

Freedom is simply choosing your responses to life's various situations.


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#397847 - 05/30/08 04:38 PM Re: On Freedom [Re: JKogas]
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To me true freedom is probably a state very few people ever reach.

To address the idea of "just living"...this is certainly not what the vast majority of humanity does, most people it seems are plagued day and night with desire, attachment, fear, worry etc., and spend very little time just living.

To me the desire to "act" is not freedom, and in many cases a longing to do this or that could be seen as a form of bondage for many people.

True freedom to me is freedom from all these things, to paraphrase a quote I can't quite remember it is the state of "knowing that there is nothing left to be done".

Here's another (stereotypical I know) quote for ya:

"His work is finished and forgotten, it's fruition ever intact."


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#397848 - 05/30/08 04:56 PM Re: On Freedom [Re: JKogas]
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Freedom is simply choosing your responses to life's various situations.





This hit's fairly close to where my belief pattern falls. Ultimately I look at life like it's a school and our emotional understanding is the lesson plan.

Anyway ultimately you hope to (in this or a future lifetime) attain the ability to chose how you feel/respond to any situation/stimuli.

Everything else is just a vehicle in which to work out these issues we all have.
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#397849 - 05/30/08 05:28 PM Re: On Freedom [Re: Kimo2007]
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Kimo, Impresive

I also heared something similar from B.Lee. It's hard to understand this, but feeling about that is positive. Could You tell more about this.It is really very interesting point to me.

And other thing. I think meaning is part of one's life and existence. One cannot do anything if it is meaningless. And until this meaning is not true meaning of one's life he suffers. I don't talk about universal meaning, but only personal,wich is important only to me and not compulsory to others. Other wise, one would not understand what he is doing, because in this case one would only follow his instincts like an animal does. To observe,and to understand is one's choice, You need determine Your self to observe, to understand. You are free to choose what You want to do. This doing is current experience of Your freedom...

What do You think? I agree about just living. But I don't mean it as a ... just flowing to the ocean, then get high to the sky, then become a river again and so on or being like water. How long one can enjoy going around?

Sorry, but I really don't want to give You any truth, I want only to discuss .
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#397850 - 05/30/08 05:44 PM Re: On Freedom [Re: LifesFist]
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I also heared something similar from B.Lee.




Well Bruce was a philosophy major ( I think) so it would make sense we read a lot of the same authors.

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Could You tell more about this.It is really very interesting point to me.





Which point exactly did you want to hear more about, I don't sharing.
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#397851 - 05/30/08 05:46 PM Re: On Freedom [Re: JKogas]
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JKogas, complete awareness is a part of a state of wuwei (nondoing) or Buddhist mind. Is it not?

Is it not a component for one to be free? Maybe, using Your terms, freedom is doing with awareness, living with awareness?

Point about choosing how to responce to lifes various situations sounds good to me too.
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#397852 - 05/30/08 05:50 PM Re: On Freedom [Re: Kimo2007]
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I agree about Lee.

Can You tell me how it should look like, to be able to choose situations in one's life?
At the moment I think that only god can do such things. He is free to create whatever he wants. Take "god" as an idea only, or example.
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