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#397833 - 05/29/08 06:45 PM On Freedom
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On what our life is based on? On wanting pleasure? On wanting to be a winner? Responces to our instincts, emotions?

Why I do What I do?

Because I want, or because Iam forced, influenced by something??

I believe, I do what I do because I know that this is meaningful to me, and no one could force me to live a not meaningful life.

What about You?
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#397834 - 05/29/08 08:39 PM Re: On Freedom [Re: LifesFist]
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On what our life is based on? On wanting pleasure? On wanting to be a winner? Responces to our instincts, emotions?

Why I do What I do?

Because I want, or because Iam forced, influenced by something??




Yes.
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#397835 - 05/29/08 09:23 PM Re: On Freedom [Re: LifesFist]
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I believe that the purpose of life is simply to live. Emotions and desires distract the majority of people from this simple truth.

The vast majority of our lives are completely beyond our control. We usually live according to our instincts, but are brains are so clever that we believe there is a bigger purpose. Searching for it distracts you from the REAL truth that is in front of you, and strangely enough inside of you at the same time (right in the center of your head for anyone who's interested). Here's what I mean

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqnEGu8VF8Y&feature=related

It gets a bit controversial at the end but I'm sure you'll all make up your own minds.
What we see in front of us is therefore not the truth and the ONLY thing we can really do is perceive. We can perceive pleasure, but the desire of it is fake. It is merely a construct of the mind and the more ideas we gather of the world, the less we actually experience reality and the more it becomes possible for us to be influenced. If you learn to rid yourself of thoughts, feelings and emotions, you get a glimpse of reality that few are ever able to achieve beyond childhood.

I think that life is meaningless and to try and give it meaning is contrary its lack of purpose. Just be. Just perceive. Because for us, it is the only truth.

People have criticised me before for the way I write these kind of posts, so I'll just do a little disclaimer and say that I'm not stating that this is absolute fact, just opinion according to my experience.
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#397836 - 05/29/08 10:09 PM Re: On Freedom [Re: jkdwarrior]
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We can perceive pleasure, but the desire of it is fake. It is merely a construct of the mind and the more ideas we gather of the world, the less we actually experience reality and the more it becomes possible for us to be influenced. If you learn to rid yourself of thoughts, feelings and emotions, you get a glimpse of reality that few are ever able to achieve beyond childhood.





I am not going to knock what you say, or even say it's wrong. The fact that you state it is your opinion, and you are not trying to force your opinion on others, is worthy of respect.

I would say you should consider reading the 6 meditaions of René Descartes (1596 - 1650), assuming you haven't aleady. The reason I say that is your reference to reality. The video you posted suffered from an unavoidable circular logic, which Descartes, any many after him have struggled to come to terms with, but have in various ways.

-Kimo
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#397837 - 05/29/08 10:18 PM Re: On Freedom [Re: jkdwarrior]
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IMO, freedom is being able to simply observe, and realize that all experiences are truly neutral. Freedom is knowing, that the mind "colors" all experience to either be some degree of good or bad. Freedom is this very understanding and is the simple awareness of "what is" compared to "what should be".

Basically, it's not living life on automatic pilot. Freedom is the true end of suffering through acknowledgment of and transcendence of suffering.

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#397838 - 05/29/08 11:08 PM Re: On Freedom [Re: JKogas]
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IMO, freedom is being able to simply observe, and realize that all experiences are truly neutral. Freedom is knowing, that the mind "colors" all experience to either be some degree of good or bad. Freedom is this very understanding and is the simple awareness of "what is" compared to "what should be".

Basically, it's not living life on automatic pilot. Freedom is the true end of suffering through acknowledgment of and transcendence of suffering.




Nicely said, very eightfold path of you

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#397839 - 05/30/08 09:50 AM Re: On Freedom [Re: Zach_Zinn]
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Thanks, lol. But you're right. I have to give credit where its due.

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#397840 - 05/30/08 11:25 AM Re: On Freedom [Re: jkdwarrior]
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JKD Warrior, interesting points. This time I want to ask You one question, Could You do a single thing if it is meaningless to You?

P.S. I enjoyed You point about pleasure, that we choose it.
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#397841 - 05/30/08 11:34 AM Re: On Freedom [Re: JKogas]
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JKogas, but if someone tries to knock me down, I wont merely observe this. I am free to react in my own way, whatever it may look like.

Observation brings about clarity in what is really going on and enables me to act according to my own sence of freedom. I think without action merely observation is not a realization of our freedom.



I respect Your opinion, but I have some questions
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#397842 - 05/30/08 11:42 AM Re: On Freedom [Re: LifesFist]
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I certainly wouldn't ask anyone to merely stand by and observe. Thats not what I was getting at though.

I don't have a problem defending myself if need be, nor with anyone else.


-John

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