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#397732 - 06/12/08 11:06 PM Re: True Swords REALIABLE? [Re: Halley]
fatguy Offline
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Registered: 12/19/05
Posts: 146
hmm shibboleth, I learn something new every day!

In He_who_is_tall's defense though, he didn't necessarily say he actually uses those swords for swinging or cutting (and I hope you don't He). He, as long as you know that they are not safe to swing or cut, those swords or sword like objects may be good for your display collection.
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#397733 - 06/13/08 11:29 AM Re: True Swords REALIABLE? [Re: fatguy]
Halley Offline
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Sure, if wallhangers are the goal, then a wallhanger site is clearly a reasonable place to search.

Now, what I *personally* think of the appearance of a cheap gold spray painted plywood saya, the plastic skull menuki, the leaded glass crystal embedded in the kashira, the Nike Air Jordan shoelace tsukaito, or the injection-moulded chinese dragons on the japanese tsuba would be entirely off-topic in either case.

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#397734 - 06/13/08 12:45 PM Re: True Swords REALIABLE? [Re: Halley]
He_who_is_tall Offline
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Actually, I do use the swords I get from this site to train. I even ran a few sharpness tests, and they check out. I also bought a bamboo sword from there that works well as a training implement, as well as an actual weapon.

Although you guys speak from experience, I still fail to see as to why trueswords.com is such a bad site to get swords from. I ordered a good 2 or 3 functional blades from this site, and for the price, they're exceptional quality and indeed functional. True, stainless steel is better for jewelry than an actual weapon, but not everything there is made from stainless steel. For a low budget individual like myself, this is a good place to go, seeing that I don't have the $200+ bucks to spend on a real martial arts grade sword.

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#397735 - 06/13/08 12:47 PM Re: True Swords REALIABLE? [Re: Halley]
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Way to go, Halley!

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#397736 - 06/13/08 04:07 PM Re: True Swords REALIABLE? [Re: iaibear]
fatguy Offline
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good point Halley

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWsQQX_QyPU&mode=related&search=paul%20chen%20katana


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#397737 - 06/13/08 10:07 PM Re: True Swords REALIABLE? [Re: He_who_is_tall]
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Quote:

Although you guys speak from experience, I still fail to see as to why trueswords.com is such a bad site to get swords from.




http://www.kendo-world.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6529

http://forums.swordforum.com/showthread.php?t=53083

Check the archives of any number of traditional Sword Art forums for search terms like stainless steel or wallhanger.

As you mentioned, we speak from experience. A fair amount of it in some cases. You fail to see it because you do not.
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#397738 - 06/14/08 01:07 AM Re: True Swords REALIABLE? [Re: Charles Mahan]
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Wow. Just wow. I'm glad you guys talked some sense into me about those stainless steel swords. The vid was a real eye opener, and the other 2 links just drove the point home. Now I know to hang up those stainless steel swords up. For good.

I mentioned before in my first ever post on this site, but I do have a crown jewel in my sword collection. I use it to train because it's carbon steel and full tang, and really sharp. That was the only sword that checked out as far as sharpness testing. Here's the link from where I bought it, complete with pics and details:

http://www.trueswords.com/bushido-musashi-koga-black-ninja-sword-full-tang-p-2804.html

(I know its from trueswords, but this was before you all opened my eyes)

Now, more than ever, I require your opinion on this sword, weither I should use it for pratical use or hang it up for good.

I also want to thank everyone for their patience with my ignorance. Like I said, I'm still a newbie when it comes to weapon training and such. I'm also the first to admit when I'm wrong, and boy howdy was I. If you guys can give me a link as to where I can find a good quality weapon, I'd greatly appriciate it.

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#397739 - 06/14/08 11:50 AM Re: True Swords REALIABLE? [Re: He_who_is_tall]
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From your ninja sword link:

<< There is no blood groove on this sword, making each swing silent and stealth.>>

FYI That groove is called a hi, pronounced "hee". It has been advertised as a blood groove, but, I am told, serves two genuine functions: It lightens the blade and serves to make it stronger (like an I-beam). The whistle can be made without it. If the edges of the hi are sharp, the whistle will be louder.

My first practice sword was an iaito from Kiyota Co. in Baltimore. The edges of its hi were rounded making it sing softly.

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#397740 - 06/14/08 09:53 PM Re: True Swords REALIABLE? [Re: iaibear]
Charles Mahan Offline
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First, it's a classic "ninja-to" which historically did not exist. Talk to the fellows who actually study ninpo, they'll be the first to tell you that the straight bladed short ninja-to is a complete work of fiction.

Second, the fittings and general craftsmanship appear to be completely worthless for regular training. The tsuka-ito is made of "nylon cloth". It claims to be "full tang". The nakago is usually only 2/3 the length of the tsuka. It claims to be handmade for $59.99. I suppose a hand probably touched the blade at some point, but that blade was almost certainly stamped out or machined to shape. The blade has been painted or stained black in some way. This is not desirable.

There is also at least one bald-faced lie on that page. They claim that the tsuba is solid copper. If that tsuba was solid copper the raw material alone would be worth more than $60. Copper is very expensive these days. It's becoming common for thieves to break into new homes under construction to steel the copper piping. Some will even steel high voltage power lines for the copper cabling inside.

I'm sorry, but while this may make a nifty cosplay prop, or a conversation piece hanging on the wall, if you were to show up at my dojo with that sword or a more traditionally shaped katana with similar characteristics you would be told in no uncertain terms that it would never be allowed on the floor as it was patently unsafe and unsuited to regular training.

On the upside, it only cost you $60. That's about a tenth of what you would have to spend on the cheapest of the cheap live blades that would be suitable for training. A suitable iaito (unsharpened practice sword) will set you back at least $250.
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#397741 - 06/16/08 11:59 PM Re: True Swords REALIABLE? [Re: iaibear]
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iaibear

I have always had good luck with Kiyota products...so far.

Cheap no, good quality yes....esp the bo, jo etc.
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