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#395616 - 06/02/08 05:38 PM Re: what to do [Re: BrianS]
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If your blackbelts suck, then that school sucks. There are too many two year blackbelts out there that suck,wonder why? The school is no better thaan the teachers.




Actually it seems to be the majority of schools around here that the Brown or red/black belts suck. So I don't think it is the schools. I think it is the standards are lowered. I noticed this way back when I was a white belt and a kid transfered in and he was a yellow belt. In a sparring match I could better than he could.
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#395617 - 06/02/08 05:41 PM Re: what to do [Re: Supremor]
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If I go to a school and see a bunch of overweight, technically poor black belts, then I for one am not going to respect my seniors. And how can you run a class without respect?



Overweight people can be really good at martial arts look at Sumo Hung. I do agree with the respect part.
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#395618 - 06/02/08 05:44 PM Re: what to do [Re: penquin]
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There is always exceptions to the norm,but I wouldn't put any faith into it.
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#395619 - 06/02/08 06:01 PM Re: what to do [Re: penquin]
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I noticed this way back when I was a white belt and a kid transfered in and he was a yellow belt. In a sparring match I could better than he could.




For sparring, belt color means nothing. I've seen some colored belts that could kick any black belts butt. I can most time hold my own and I get my butt kicked as well by many; I dislike TKD sparring and avoid it when I can. But then take it to a grappling range and the roles reverse; I love grappling. In other words people are sometimes better at other training aspects so belts cannot be represented by the color they wear; or at least not in the TKD community.
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#395620 - 06/02/08 11:45 PM Re: what to do [Re: penquin]
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So your saying Jeff I might not be as delusional as I thought. Cool. Now all I have to remember is leave my hands out when I am doing the forms.(I think it is good for youngsters, but not us old folks)




God it took me a year to get my transfer student from shaolin kempo to extend a limb in his forms. Of course he and i both knew he was beyond the exaggerated techniques of that form, but he wanted to compete and it was required material...

more important is to remember NOT to do it in a reality based situation.
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#395621 - 06/03/08 12:34 AM Re: what to do [Re: jeff_andle]
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So your saying Jeff I might not be as delusional as I thought. Cool. Now all I have to remember is leave my hands out when I am doing the forms.(I think it is good for youngsters, but not us old folks)




God it took me a year to get my transfer student from shaolin kempo to extend a limb in his forms. Of course he and i both knew he was beyond the exaggerated techniques of that form, but he wanted to compete and it was required material...

more important is to remember NOT to do it in a reality based situation.




You can't. If you practice that way, you will use it that way. Unless you have time to stop and reprogram your muscle memory during a confrontation. Ever heard the phrase, "fight like you train?" There is something to that.
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#395622 - 06/03/08 08:26 AM Re: what to do [Re: BrianS]
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You can if you try. I do mostly the exaggerated techniques, and I don't do it when I spar. I never heard of that phrase, but I heard of the phrase "if it ain't raining it ain't training" It is an army saying and doesn't apply to MA
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#395623 - 06/03/08 12:35 PM Re: what to do [Re: penquin]
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I heard it this way, "if it ain't raining, we ain't training."

You truly do fight how you train. Muscle memory and pure instinct kick in. If you are just sparring you could,but that isn't real.

Thank you for your service Edward.
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#395624 - 06/03/08 09:25 PM Re: what to do [Re: BrianS]
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You can't. If you practice that way, you will use it that way. Unless you have time to stop and reprogram your muscle memory during a confrontation. Ever heard the phrase, "fight like you train?" There is something to that.




I train exaggerated chambers and rechambers to teach color belt forms because - in our system that is what we teach them.

I train chamberless hand techniques and other aspects of black belt forms within ou system when I teach and practice black belt forms.

I train restrained sparring with no excessive force and no techniques to the face for stop/point sparring,

and, I train (not as realistically as you do, but that's a matter of available partners) "whatever is needed" defense.



Yes, you fight the way you train, but you can train more than one way.




Though there is a very eye openning story that is passed around our organization about the police officer that walked in on a robbery...

He disarmed the gun-wielding robber and then handed the gun right back to him, exactly like he trained... fortunately his partner - two steps behind him - drew and shot the guy ...


may be an urban legend, but it makes the point.
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#395625 - 06/03/08 11:46 PM Re: what to do [Re: jeff_andle]
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News Flash!!! My wife now wants me in the Y with her. She just found out exactly how far it is to the class and test fees. I just hope I don't regret this.
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