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#395135 - 05/27/08 04:22 PM Re: Kata Embu [Re: dandjurdjevic]
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Quote:

The shisochin application (palm strike, kick deflection) I was referring to occurs at around 0:27 of the following video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tL9rGeKZGU.




Dan, I have one question. Now, first off I understand why people don't use contact with no gear (however, light contact to the head with open hand strikes and medium contact to the body will give a more real feel of the techniques IMO). But why no contact with the gear? I thought the full gear was so that you CAN go full contact and see just how effective your techniques really are.
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#395136 - 05/27/08 04:44 PM Re: Kata Embu [Re: jude33]
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of martial arts in S/D seem to be unanswerd by your self . After all this is a martial arts forum and the application of martial arts to a S/D scenario might be expected from a martial arts teacher?
So perhaps you could give the input into the training from a martial artist in to s/d scenarios in the future?
Rather than what qualifies me to make a statement?





I've done my best to answer every question anyone has put to me, and I feel I've actually participated in the conversation, unlike you.

if you feel that people demanding you qualify your statements is some kind of personal attack that's too bad Jude, complain to a mod or something and maybe they'll reprimand me.

Personally I think you're getting treated exactly as you deserve. I've watched you do this kind of silly crap the entire time i've used this forum with no repercussions and I don't feel a bit bad about pointing it out.

Again if you don't like it here's what you can do:

1) Be honest about your background and stopping adding new arts you train in every time we discuss them. Being secretive about what you do on forums is a big red flag to alot of people.

2) Post some stuff that makes sense and isn't just arguing for arguing's sake and lame trolling attempts.

I'm not gonna take you seriously (i'm guessing i'm not alone here) until you start actually communicating differently.


Dan: After looking at the first page of your blog it looks like we have a similar view on the Sanseiryu technique. I have also learned a "hands free" version of the takedown.

And by that of course I mean a no touch knockout from across the room. Just joking. I mean have learned a version where you don't grab the leg.


Edited by Zach_Zinn (05/27/08 05:05 PM)

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#395137 - 05/27/08 07:10 PM Re: Kata Embu [Re: medulanet]
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They were trying to contact Marcel (probably not very hard) but they were evenly matched and were friends asked to do this at the last minute as a demonstration.

In any event, our contact with this gear still light - I could punch through that protective gear easily.

Given the deficiencies in the gear, I've not used it much over the years.


Edited by dandjurdjevic (05/27/08 07:15 PM)
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#395138 - 05/27/08 09:43 PM Re: Kata Embu [Re: harlan]
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Harlan

The "leg catch" I was talking about is at about 7:38 in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGBdkOYQGoE.
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#395139 - 05/28/08 06:47 AM Re: Kata Embu [Re: Zach_Zinn]
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I've done my best to answer every question anyone has put to me, and I feel I've actually participated in the conversation, unlike you.




There are some you didint such as the S/D on MMA.

You completly avoided that one.

Either way have a good day.

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#395140 - 05/28/08 06:54 AM Re: Kata Embu [Re: dandjurdjevic]
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Sorry...was there a typo? Did you mean 7:38? He is doing kata alone at that point. Or was it around 2:38..Saifa bunkai?

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#395141 - 05/28/08 07:12 AM Re: Kata Embu [Re: harlan]
dandjurdjevic Offline
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I meant the kata move which is a leg catch, so yes - sanseru at about 7:38 is the move. It is a leg catch but the kata has a step forward...

Note however this video at about 0:48 which shows the application. Note the step back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoXQbRCZNmQ.

What say you? Similar moves in CMA have a step back in the form. Consider this move which is a block but can be converted into a leg catch at 0:26:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDaHVXzmccE.


Edited by dandjurdjevic (05/28/08 07:34 AM)
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#395142 - 05/28/08 08:55 AM Re: Kata Embu [Re: dandjurdjevic]
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Okay. Thank you for the clarification.

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#395143 - 05/28/08 09:34 AM Re: Kata Embu [Re: dandjurdjevic]
Barad Offline
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FWIW we have a very similar-looking leg catch/trap in the Shotokan version of Wankan followed by stepping forward with open vertical knife hand/pushing palm and punch.

B.

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#395144 - 05/28/08 10:09 AM Re: Kata Embu [Re: harlan]
dandjurdjevic Offline
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Okay. Thank you for the clarification.




Shonuff, harlan, Zach etc. - I've started a new thread on the subject of "reversing" embusen: see http://www.fightingarts.com/ubbthreads/s...e3#Post16001536.

Please give your 2 cents...

I am quite intrigued by the example I've given and I don't know if I'm ready to assume that the "kata is wrong"...


Edited by dandjurdjevic (05/28/08 10:12 AM)
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