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#394565 - 05/09/08 04:22 PM Sparring Staff
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I have used 2 types of padded staffs in sparring. Neither very good. The first was a softwood staff covered in foam rubber. It didn't take long to break this one in sparring. The other was a plastic tube covered in rubber. This one didn't break but was so flimsy that the techniques resembled a whip instead of a staff. I put a metal rod through the center of the plastic tube, this made it better but when the staff would bend slightly, it would stay in that position. Has anyone come up with a better solution for a sparring staff? I have used the real, unpadded staff but it's too much bruising for regular workouts.

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#394566 - 05/09/08 06:34 PM Re: Sparring Staff [Re: everyone]
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Registered: 03/11/08
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I glued wooden dowls inside thin plastic pipe, put the pipe inside a foam tube (for keeping pipes from freezing in our Canadian winters) and wrapped it all in two layers of duct tape.

None broke yet, but they still hurt. The larger ones, the heavy hitters, got an extra layer of heavy foam wrapped on the ends like a pugil stick but they too still hurt.

Teeth won't be knocked out but lips are split and I expect eye injuries could happen so we wear eye gear.

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#394567 - 05/15/08 09:13 PM Re: Sparring Staff [Re: everyone]
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Loc: Savannah, GA
Our Kobudo class trains regular weapons sparring. We have not found anything that provides a good balance of weapon dexterity and protection. If you pad the weapon enough to actually be "safe", it's almost impossible to use. So we've gone the opposite direction.
We have a combination of forearm and elbow padding, occasional leg protection, and heavy gloves and helmets with full face coverage. The best equipment we have found so far seems to be hockey gear. It's taken some time to find the right mix of equipment but the gloves and helmets are the primary pieces. These, combined with an appropriate amount of control seem to work well. We still have accidents and injuries but it allows us to train much more aggressively without serious damage.
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#394568 - 06/19/08 01:42 AM Re: Sparring Staff [Re: brocksampson]
tgall Offline
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Registered: 08/05/04
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Loc: germany
Hello,

we do staff sparring and sparrings competions a lot in germany. We have decided to go the way over a padded weapon. Sorry at the moment i ve just a slovak description how to build a safty bo. http://www.kobudo.sk/boshiai.html# and then press Výroba zbrane na bo shiai.
My teacher has a long experience with staff sparring, he first did it in an kendo bugo and real staff that had been some where in the 80's. Then he had gone the way and has a real stuff and put it into a pipe isnsulation. That had the disadvantage that it had been to big, but we could fight without protetive clothes. The next step had been to use an alumin pipe in an pipe insulation. That kind of safty bo had been thinner and much faster, but wiht this type the injuris got much more. So we change it to a PVC-pipe inside. With this we got much less injuries but this safty could break, but better to break the safty bo as to break a bone.
Here are some of the fights:

http://de.youtube.com/results?search_query=bo+shiai&search_type=&aq=f

Thomas

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#394569 - 06/19/08 11:00 AM Re: Sparring Staff [Re: tgall]
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Registered: 07/31/04
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Thanks for the link. I realize now that I've seen VERY little bo-like sparring on the internet besides kendo, or choreographed kobudo bunkai. I see the above video, and much like the sparring videos, I don't see much of what I'm told to stress in training (for example: covering behind the bo, blocking, and double-ended bo attacks)...but assume it's a different style.

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#394570 - 06/19/08 11:14 AM Re: Sparring Staff [Re: harlan]
tgall Offline
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Registered: 08/05/04
Posts: 13
Loc: germany
Hello Herlan,

the people who are fighting there came from 3 different styles, Ryukyu Kobudo Tesshinkan, Gendai Goshin Kobujutsu and Yamanni-Chinnen Ryu. Covering and Blocking you find also there, double-ended bo attacks are seldom, cause if you grip the bo in the typical way to take it at 1/3 1/3 (sorry I dont know how to explain that grip better in english) you are getting a distanze problem if the other is gripping the bo more at the end. So the normal fighting grip is hand more at the end, like you have seen in the vids, and with the grip you have a greater range.
We also do sometimes randori training with the safty angainst an other weapon. The bo fighter just attaks, and the other has to defend with the learnd kumite. It show very nice where are the weekness of the pupil or the weekness of a kumite.

Thomas

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#394571 - 06/19/08 11:27 AM Re: Sparring Staff [Re: tgall]
harlan Offline
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Registered: 07/31/04
Posts: 6664
Loc: Amherst, MA
Thank you for the detail.

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#394572 - 06/19/08 06:25 PM Re: Sparring Staff [Re: harlan]
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Thomas -

Thanks for sharing. BTW, are you in this video? -

http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=DJHaslrTA8c
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#394573 - 06/20/08 08:34 AM Re: Sparring Staff [Re: MattJ]
tgall Offline
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Registered: 08/05/04
Posts: 13
Loc: germany
No, I hadn't participate at that competion. I hope i would be there next year.

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#394574 - 06/22/08 09:00 PM Re: Sparring Staff [Re: harlan]
brocksampson Offline
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Registered: 03/18/06
Posts: 112
Loc: Savannah, GA
Harlan,
Note that the techniques you mentioned may be missing as a result of the TYPE of fight seen in the videos. In this isolated environment the long grip and quick parries are the most beneficial. For other scenarios this is not always the case. I find myself changing grips, length and ends of the bo constantly throughout the training session. Wish I had video.
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