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#392134 - 04/21/08 06:22 PM Re: Tegumi, Funakoshi, FA.com, and medulanet [Re: jude33]
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It is not advised for people to train with a Sagi Makiwawai unless they have trained with weights first. Hey Zach do you know what one is?




Nope, never heard of a Sagi Makiwawai, is that similar to a Sagi Makiwara? Do you train that along with Sepia?

Sorry couldn't resist, out again.



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#392135 - 04/21/08 06:41 PM Re: Tegumi, Funakoshi, FA.com, and medulanet [Re: Zach_Zinn]
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Nope, never heard of a Sagi Makiwawai, is that similar to a Sagi Makiwara? Do you train that along with Sepia?

Sorry couldn't resist, out again.






Yes Zack I thought that would tickle you somewhat. Very good, forum spell checker. So I presume you know what one is? Otherwise you would have accepted the spelling.

Nope dont train with one. Seems strains of karate did and still do. Be some what like grappling and weapons training
and dare I say it? ground fighting. Maybe they did and now dont. That is the relationship to the thread and the topic.

Interesting when people can call others on here yet when it is their turn they just allow their egos to rebuild while using the ignore button. If you cant take it then why give it?


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#392136 - 04/21/08 06:49 PM Re: Tegumi, Funakoshi, FA.com, and medulanet [Re: jude33]
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Yes, there is and has always been groundfighting in karate,ALWAYS!!

medulanet is right and jude can quit humping his leg now.

Sheesh.......
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#392137 - 04/21/08 06:49 PM Re: Tegumi, Funakoshi, FA.com, and medulanet [Re: jude33]
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Though I believe Med has a right to his opinion and he is in good company with McCarthy Sensei and others. But the thought that something is superior or orginal if it has something that another doesn't was established in numerous before mentioned threads. Though Med has left that along he still states his views and this is good when youi look at these threads. Which seems to be because Okinawans practice submission wrestling it had to be a part of early even modren Karate training and some how made it into Kata.

I'm assuming these are not his exact words.

In recent 4-5 threads Med has reframed from talking down to people in my opinion he is just trying to make his point. Some people just don't forget so easily.

As the non GF in Kata people are stating knowledge of ground fighting enhances and makes one a well rounded fighter, but I yet to see it in the Katas practiced such as Naihanchi/Tekki, practice on it's back on the ground is a far scretch for me at least, I got Master McCarthy's seminar tape made in the 199X's good stuff but???

We still say ain't nothing wrong with cross training and calling it that.


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#392138 - 04/21/08 07:00 PM Re: Tegumi, Funakoshi, FA.com, and medulanet [Re: BrianS]
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Yes, there is and has always been groundfighting in karate,ALWAYS!!

medulanet is right and jude can quit humping his leg now.

Sheesh.......




Wrong brian.
Its not my style.
Although seen as you mentioned it, it might be something you enjoy.
Even if I was that way inclined, then one thing for certain it will never be your leg.

I got taste.

Jude


Edited by jude33 (04/21/08 07:05 PM)

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#392139 - 04/21/08 07:05 PM Re: Tegumi, Funakoshi, FA.com, and medulanet [Re: jude33]
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Wrong brian. One thing for certain it will never be your leg, I got taste.

Jude






yeah... im an instigator LOL


Edited by Raul Perez (04/21/08 07:05 PM)
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#392140 - 04/21/08 07:12 PM Re: Tegumi, Funakoshi, FA.com, and medulanet [Re: Raul Perez]
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I will ask McCarthy Sensei directly as im seeing him this sunday coming,

re groundfighting in old style Okinawan Karate (specifically classical kata) and see what he says about it.
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#392141 - 04/21/08 07:17 PM Re: Tegumi, Funakoshi, FA.com, and medulanet [Re: Neko456]
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As the non GF in Kata people are stating knowledge of ground fighting enhances and makes one a well rounded fighter, but I yet to see it in the Katas practiced such as Naihanchi/Tekki, practice on it's back on the ground is a far scretch for me at least, I got Master McCarthy's seminar tape made in the 199X's good stuff but???

We still say ain't nothing wrong with cross training and calling it that.




Hi Neko.

No there isnt anything wrong with cross training. But history is rare on Okinawan anything. So I dont see there is anything wrong with discussion and if it can be in any way proven then great. Seems like some fragile ego's( not meaning you )and people who seem to have a fetish for legs on here dont want that.

Jude

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#392142 - 04/21/08 07:22 PM Re: Tegumi, Funakoshi, FA.com, and medulanet [Re: Raul Perez]
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Wrong brian. One thing for certain it will never be your leg, I got taste.

Jude






yeah... im an instigator LOL




Glad to hear it. I liked part of your use of naihanchi.( not your legs by the way?) Was that your own interpretation?. Seems like in days gone by part of it was also trained/ intended while using the Bo? That would be interesting. Part of naihanchi for ground work, part for stand up grappling/ striking and part for the use of the bo?

Jude



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#392143 - 04/21/08 08:56 PM Re: Tegumi, Funakoshi, FA.com, and medulanet [Re: jude33]
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Glad you liked my naihanchi.

I'd say about 50/50 as far as interpretation. half mine, half what was taught to me.

As far as the bo... no I wasn't aware of it being used with it and I've never trained it as such.
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