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#391818 - 04/19/08 08:29 AM Kyusho Jutsu
Nsih Offline
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Is it effective? Many have said that the pressure points utilized in it do not work in a real fight.. also, what's the difference between Kyusho jutsu and Kyusho Jutsu (Ryukyu Kempo) ?

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#391819 - 04/19/08 09:42 AM Re: Kyusho Jutsu [Re: Nsih]
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there a preasre point section on the forum that would be better able to answer thisw kind of stuff. and yes it can be very "effective", ever see mike tyson hit someone on the jaw?
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#391820 - 04/21/08 08:23 AM Re: Kyusho Jutsu [Re: Nsih]
Barad Offline
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A lot of the points work very well if you can hit them. So "in a real fight, can you hit them?" might be more appropriate question...

Agree, see the pressure point forum if the door has not rusted shut from lack of use...

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#391821 - 04/21/08 08:56 AM Re: Kyusho Jutsu [Re: Barad]
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It takes MUCH more training than merely knowing where the points are to use them effectively in motion. WITH the proper training, including lots and lots of time hitting people and getting hit in return, the skill can be acquired. It can not be learned just from a video or book.

The door is rusting on the PP forum because nearly all threads get hijacked by people who think the subject is TOO controversial to discuss without a library of proof even in it's own dedicated PP forum.
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#391822 - 04/21/08 12:44 PM Re: Kyusho Jutsu [Re: underdog]
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Thanks for the education-I have been training in kyusho jitsu as part of karate for a good few years and not from a book...I am well aware of its limitations and practicalities.

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#391823 - 04/21/08 02:29 PM Re: Kyusho Jutsu [Re: Barad]
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Very good. I don't know with whom you are training or what teaching techniques, but stick to them. My humble opinion says PP has value. Pain makes believers.

I don't post new topics on the PP forum in fightingarts. I use 2 other PP forums where there are more PP practitioners and the atmosphere is friendlier towards people who value this art. Sometimes I'll get into a thread that someone else starts here, but I leave the discussion when the trolls take over.

If you are here and other practitioners hang around, maybe we can reclaim our forum here.


Edited by underdog (04/21/08 02:31 PM)
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#391824 - 04/21/08 05:25 PM Re: Kyusho Jutsu [Re: underdog]
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didn't there sed to be a point of the week thread? i know im a bit of a horses arse sometimes, but i do enjoy reading what informed people have to say.
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#391825 - 04/22/08 05:36 AM Re: Kyusho Jutsu [Re: underdog]
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I am not at all negative on PPs. I was practicing them (amongst other things) to great effect last night. However I think they call for a lot of skill at hitting resisting, moving people before they are usable. Unfortunately they are often treated as a magic bullet by many people I have come across who seem to consider deep knowledge of the theory of where and how to hit a compliant partner as sufficient.

I train within Kissaki.

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#391826 - 04/22/08 05:55 AM Re: Kyusho Jutsu [Re: underdog]
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Quote:

Very good. I don't know with whom you are training or what teaching techniques, but stick to them. My humble opinion says PP has value. Pain makes believers.

I don't post new topics on the PP forum in fightingarts. I use 2 other PP forums where there are more PP practitioners and the atmosphere is friendlier towards people who value this art. Sometimes I'll get into a thread that someone else starts here, but I leave the discussion when the trolls take over.

If you are here and other practitioners hang around, maybe we can reclaim our forum here.




That would be interesting.

Here is what I know of pressure points.

The striking of pressure points for the use against an attacker should the attack justify the use of..

The jaw as stated somewhere I wouldnt consider as pure pressure point study as it is in the main a general target area that if struck normaly results in a ko. In most cases it would be difficult to connect as it is with out being realy specific as to where contact is made.

The forearms if struck hard enough can go numb.
The thigh area ditto.
Joints can be struck as opposed to submission techniques.
Back/ front/ side of the neck is another point that can have the desired effect.

Other than chokes arm bars etc thats it.

Ps,Its up to you but I would be inclined to (we can reclaim our forum here. ) ignore the trolls but if somethings sometimes get to be
unrealistic then I suppose trolling can be expected.

Jude


Edited by jude33 (04/22/08 05:57 AM)

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#391827 - 04/22/08 08:02 AM Re: Kyusho Jutsu [Re: jude33]
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I don't have a problem with pressure point study. Delayed touch/NTKO is a whole other can of worms. I also don't consider asking for proof to be "trolling". Stonewalling questions is closer to trolling, IMHO.
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