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#391838 - 04/24/08 08:41 AM Re: Kyusho Jutsu [Re: Barad]
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Just to butt in, I think it probably possible to train in armour-we were hammering away with the knees at Gall Bladder 31 on Monday (dead leg point on the middle outside thigh in English) and even through thigh pads, it still has a demonstrable effect where the strikes are at full power but the pads obviously allow us to keep training where bare attacks to the point are too incapacitating to do it for long.

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What kind of pads do you use? Are these the ones that a peson straps on to the thigh? We use a form of an airbag/ pad for knees and kicks with a partner practice. Hard though to use a specific target. Gall bladder 31? I tend to train with the mind set during controlled sparring of anywhere on thigh muscle is good.

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#391839 - 04/24/08 09:46 AM Re: Kyusho Jutsu [Re: Nsih]
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I believe its high level training and most Okinawan arts have this type training after you study the basic/Shodan and up they train this method. Some schools start before that and this type training is the basic of what they do after you develope some understanding of the basics.

Some believe that this level of training is what was left out of the Marines training or the Exported Karate. Others beleive that they tried to simplify it with just strike here and there, like statements instead of the five element concept. It is the near equal of Gung-fu's Dim Mak.

I believe that with use of breathing & this type striking/massage enhances your ability to damage or heal. I noticed that most systems have this as a method of study IndoAsia's Silat, China's Chunfa, Karate and Jujitsu.

Does pressure point striking work in heated situation, ever been hit in the temple or the tip of the chin gloved or barefisted. No question it works right the application is not complex the concept/study is. Now some points have to hit in combos of 3-5s to work on certain people but it definitely works.

IMHO.


Edited by Neko456 (04/24/08 09:49 AM)
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#391840 - 04/24/08 09:50 AM Re: Kyusho Jutsu [Re: jude33]
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Yes-strap on polystyrene type stuff. They seem to work pretty well and allow movement/sparring, not just holding a pad for someone to kick at leg height..

In my experience just hitting anywhere on the thigh does not do it. If you are stronger than the person you kick, it may well still move them or hurt but getting hit right on the point feels very different and is different in effect, in that people tend to drop immediately on the spot pretty much regardless of size. It seems to temporarily paralyse the leg causing collapse and is painful.

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#391841 - 04/24/08 10:01 AM Re: Kyusho Jutsu [Re: Barad]
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Yes-strap on polystyrene type stuff. They seem to work pretty well.





Any links to photos?

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In my experience just hitting anywhere on the thigh does not do it.



In my experience with no pads it does. Using a standard thai pad on the thigh for a succession of training full hard kicks connecting with the shin is a big no no if the training partners want to stay upright and still be training partners.
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If you are stronger than the person you kick, it may well still move them or hurt but getting hit right on the point feels very different and is different in effect, in that people tend to drop immediately on the spot pretty much regardless of size. It seems to temporarily paralyse the leg causing collapse and is painful.





Even so that is what I would like to learn.
So how are you training it to be so specific ? Where do you get the charts from?

Jude

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#391842 - 04/24/08 10:59 AM Re: Kyusho Jutsu [Re: jude33]
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Jude,

I tend not to get photos taken of myself training (last one I can think of was circa 1987 doing a reverse roundhouse kick, something I would not waste my time on now) and I definitely do not post them on the web!

The attack to the thigh for us is either a Thai-style kick or a forward knee close up or a front heel kick toes pointing to the side (name ashi geri seen in Naihanchi/Tekki and in Wing Chun for example).

To learn kyusho jitsu, I would really recommend a teacher firstly to learn it properly (it is complex as others have said) and secondly for safety.

You can look at the points here:

http://www.bubishi.com/accupoint/KyushoHeadshots.html

http://www.acuxo.com/meridianPictures.asp?point=CV22&meridian=Conception%20Vessel

but this will not usefully tell you how or where to strike. You can look up Gall Bladder 31 point on the second website though.

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#391843 - 04/24/08 11:25 AM Re: Kyusho Jutsu [Re: Barad]
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Jude,

I tend not to get photos taken of myself training (last one I can think of was circa 1987 doing a reverse roundhouse kick, something I would not waste my time on now) and I definitely do not post them on the web!





You're that UGLY huh? LOL couldn't resist
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#391844 - 04/24/08 11:26 AM Re: Kyusho Jutsu [Re: Barad]
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Jude,

I tend not to get photos taken of myself training (last one I can think of was circa 1987 doing a reverse roundhouse kick, something I would not waste my time on now) and I definitely do not post them on the web!




Errm, Mr Barad. "nnnn" Sir!!

I meant a photo or a link to a photo of the thigh protection not of your good self. Not that I have anything against a photo of you but I meant the protective equipment you wear while training.
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The attack to the thigh for us is either a Thai-style kick or a forward knee close up or a
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Ok what I use. Forward knee or thai style kick or certain strain karate kick its the same to me.
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front heel kick toes pointing to the side (name ashi geri seen in Naihanchi/Tekki and in Wing Chun for example).
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What I know of but dont use. In training I use the heel to the knee front and back but never to the thigh. Going to look on you tube case someone recorded your gaffer.






To learn kyusho jitsu, I would really recommend a teacher firstly to learn it properly (it is complex as others have said) and secondly for safety.
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Will do one day but till then does your gaffer do seminars?
If so where? and I suppose a person has to be part of your organisation?
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http://www.bubishi.com/accupoint/KyushoHeadshots.html

http://www.acuxo.com/meridianPictures.asp?point=CV22&meridian=Conception%20Vessel

but this will not usefully tell you how or where to strike. You can look up Gall Bladder 31 point on the second website though.

B




Will have a look and no doubt have some questions.

Thanks Barad.

Jude


Edited by jude33 (04/24/08 11:34 AM)

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#391845 - 04/24/08 11:31 AM Re: Kyusho Jutsu [Re: Raul Perez]
jude33 Offline
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Quote:

Jude,

I tend not to get photos taken of myself training (last one I can think of was circa 1987 doing a reverse roundhouse kick, something I would not waste my time on now) and I definitely do not post them on the web!





You're that UGLY huh? LOL couldn't resist




Yes Raul.

You did look good on your video as well as your techniques. But I guess Barad does as well. My art is practical and functional. I leave it to you good looking guys and the opposite gender to look good. Then I can watch in between training.

Jude

I presume you got the PM?


Edited by jude33 (04/24/08 11:37 AM)

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#391846 - 04/24/08 11:39 AM Re: Kyusho Jutsu [Re: jude33]
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yeah I got the PM. I'll respond after lunch after I fake some more work around here
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#391847 - 04/24/08 11:46 AM Re: Kyusho Jutsu [Re: Raul Perez]
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Actually I just didn't want to overwhelm you with my physical beauty...

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