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#391668 - 06/30/08 11:45 PM Re: Which kata is best for self defense? [Re: Shonuff]
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Frankly, every kata has great applications. I once saw a grandmaster get asked the same question and he told the student to attack him. The studetn asked him how he should attack and the GM said "However you want." The student charged in and made like he would tackle the GM, but found himself laying sprawled on the ground. The GM then explained to the student that the move came out of that system's white belt form. He said that for him it was the best kata for self-defense, because it was the one he had been working on the longest.

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#391669 - 07/01/08 04:27 AM Re: Which kata is best for self defense? [Re: whitetigerschool]
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I would choose Nevarikin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJjLknCsOQo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOFcgs9LRA0

Actually if I had to choose, I think goju seiunchin has the most comprehensive and useful applications and combinations.

But somehow I find myself agreeing with John (JKogas). Kata has many uses, including learning technique. But for me the primary goals of kata are to teach and inculcate certain necessary "foundational" concepts (eg. taisabaki/tenshin, kime etc.) - not to serve as self-defence tools. In other words while I can see they have contributed to my skill set overall, I don't know about their specific application as "self-defence sets".
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#391670 - 07/01/08 07:52 PM Re: Which kata is best for self defense? [Re: dandjurdjevic]
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LOL

What would be really interesting is if that kid actually stuck it out and continued developing his Nevarikan for the next 10 or 15 years and then wiped the floor with some big name UFC champ of the future.

Unlikely? Of course, but all martial arts had to start somewhere.
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#391671 - 07/01/08 09:40 PM Re: Which kata is best for self defense? [Re: Shonuff]
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He's trying to reinvent the wheel imho. He might as well be trying to build a silicon chip from scratch.

Having said that, he's not doing all that badly - he's stumbling clumsily into some well established concepts like the snap kick and roundhouse. His comet punch is however just too silly (although in his second video it's starting to look more like a right cross).

Go Nevarikin!
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#391672 - 07/02/08 12:31 AM Re: Which kata is best for self defense? [Re: Shonuff]
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#391673 - 07/02/08 06:25 AM Re: Which kata is best for self defense? [Re: Shonuff]
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Naihanchi Shodan for me.

self defence application city !
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#391674 - 07/02/08 07:29 AM Re: Which kata is best for self defense? [Re: shoshinkan]
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Because of my past ignorance (or that of my senseis, for having me do more sparring than kata), I'll go for Gyaku-To . Granted, it's not karate, but it's still a nice and no bs kata.



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#391675 - 07/02/08 09:08 AM Re: Which kata is best for self defense? [Re: Ed_Morris]
dandjurdjevic Offline
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3 months? how about gun kata? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4SV2pyiBNo&feature=related

That gun kata ain't too bad!




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#391676 - 07/02/08 09:56 PM Re: Which kata is best for self defense? [Re: dandjurdjevic]
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3 months isn't long enough to know the self defense applications of a kata imo.

There really is no best kata for self defense either. The one that is best is the one you have studied and applied the most and that will vary greatly from style to style and from person to person.
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#391677 - 07/03/08 04:17 AM Re: Which kata is best for self defense? [Re: BrianS]
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not sure I agree with that Brian,

I think simple self defence for most people can certainly be taught in 3 months, if it is focused to the job in hand.

in relation to the kata thing, again I think the selection of which kata is very important, hence why I put Naihanchi Sho forward,

it delivers (IMO) a real foundation in basic self defence for most situations, I would need a Pinan to make the job really good however...............
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