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#391005 - 04/15/08 08:28 PM Re: Sean Hannity on youth MMA [Re: JohnL]
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Non martial artists sometimes don't get it. Look even at the Kimbo Slice movies. When he fights chumps in the backyard he helps them up, shakes their hand, sees if they are alright.




And you're using THIS to justify why 6 year olds should be allowed to take part in MMA competitions. Doing so would set back the development of MMA about 3 decades and quite rightly so.

The other concern I have with MMA is that while you watch UFC, Pride, etc. at events/meetings that are professionally run with full medical teams and experienced referees, the undermarket is not so pleasant.

I have been to MMA events where the practitioners were amateurish and mis-matched, the referee's stopping fights reluctantly and only when the crowds blood lust was satisfied, totally inept medical coverage, and more fights in the audience than in the cage.

I don't believe you can judge a element purely by looking at the elite level. Scratch the surface and sometimes you're not pleased with what you find.




I never said six year olds should take part in MMA competitions. All I meant was that the social conditioning that MA gives people would shut up these talking heads, and there is nothing wrong with slowly and with caution introducing a child to a martial art as they grow up.
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#391006 - 04/15/08 10:30 PM Re: Sean Hannity on youth MMA [Re: Mark Hill]
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Children training in an MMA format is great. When they get old enough and can make an educated decision to fight, they should be well prepared. Putting them in a Little League Cage Match so they can be "Junior Fighters" is not the way to develop mainstream MMA.

It's one or two steps above those back yard ghetto fights we all hate where the adults are all yelling at their sniveling child to go "kick that kid's a**". The kids are doing more for the entertainment/amusement of the adults than for their own personal achievement.
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#391007 - 04/15/08 11:20 PM Re: Sean Hannity on youth MMA [Re: Fletch1]
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I don't have a problem with the MMA training method for kids (of course, if taught properly/safely).

what I have a problem with in martial arts in general is this "Win, Win" mindset that gets kids chasing belts and trophies and titles...only to find later, that what they have gained is so relative and insignificant, it doesn't relate to anything that helps them in later life.

back to topic, if FOX really gave a crap about kids - it would be the number one education channel for them. it isn't. it's the top adult entertainment in the industry...sortof like porn. Sell-out sensational-based news is basically the same as porn. except instead of appealing to people's sexual fantasy, they appeal to their emotional ones.

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#391008 - 04/16/08 11:06 AM Re: Sean Hannity on youth MMA [Re: Ed_Morris]
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As an outsider to MMA, MMA folks always annoyed me as arrogant thugs until I saw Human Weapon and Fight Quest. Also have a lot of respect for Tito Ortiz after seeing him on celebrity apprentice. You guys rushing to defend cagefighting for kids has set me back in my opinion.

If you don't want to be seen as a thug act as a gentleman. Calling someone a douche bag because you don't like there political opinion or uninformed opinion doesn't buy you legitimacy in the public's eye. Highlight the success stories of troubled youth responding to disciplined training instead of bravado and insults.

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#391009 - 04/16/08 09:10 PM Re: Sean Hannity on youth MMA [Re: matchhead_jack]
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Fletch - I largely agree with Ed. Sorry if it seemed I didn't think kids couldn't be taught safely. We do teach them similarly and safely.

"You guys rushing to defend cagefighting for kids has set me back in my opinion. "

I did not infer such an opinion, please refrain me from this "group" you refer to.

"If you don't want to be seen as a thug act as a gentleman. Calling someone a douche bag because you don't like there political opinion or uninformed opinion doesn't buy you legitimacy in the public's eye. Highlight the success stories of troubled youth responding to disciplined training instead of bravado and insults. "

Maybe that is what that idiot Hannity should have done. Research, like what real journalists do.

Edited for political comment (last 2 sentences)


Edited by Raul Perez (04/16/08 10:08 PM)
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#391010 - 04/16/08 10:10 PM Re: Sean Hannity on youth MMA [Re: Mark Hill]
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Ladies & Gentlemen,

Please refrain from using conservative, liberal, right wing, left wing, green party, republican, democrat, etc in a manner which voices any polictal opinion. Even innocently it could provoke additional political debate which is against forum policy.

The thread is going along nicely and I would like to continue it to do so.
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#391011 - 04/16/08 11:10 PM Re: Sean Hannity on youth MMA [Re: matchhead_jack]
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As an outsider to MMA, MMA folks always annoyed me as arrogant thugs until I saw Human Weapon and Fight Quest. Also have a lot of respect for Tito Ortiz after seeing him on celebrity apprentice. You guys rushing to defend cagefighting for kids has set me back in my opinion.

If you don't want to be seen as a thug act as a gentleman. Calling someone a douche bag because you don't like there political opinion or uninformed opinion doesn't buy you legitimacy in the public's eye. Highlight the success stories of troubled youth responding to disciplined training instead of bravado and insults.




Why do you paint with such wide strokes in the first place?

If someone defends their pov on the subject then your entire opinion of mma changes?

Do you like TMA to be seen in such a way?
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#391012 - 04/17/08 12:25 PM Re: Sean Hannity on youth MMA [Re: BrianS]
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It's natural for outsiders to paint with broad strokes. My view is setback because of what people practicing that martial art say in the public forum. "Sean Hannity is an idiot. Sean Hannity is a douche bag" and other edited comments doesn't point towards public legitimacy.

Some have made good arguements about how Hannity did not research fully and misrepresented the MMA community. Hats off. I don't think my criticisms apply to them.

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#391013 - 04/17/08 07:03 PM Re: Sean Hannity on youth MMA [Re: matchhead_jack]
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I'm not in the mma community. Hannity is an idiot imo.
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#391014 - 06/06/08 05:43 PM Re: Sean Hannity on youth MMA [Re: BrianS]
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I echo what Fletch has provided throughout the thread. Nothing wrong with the training and when adults or old enough to make the decision to fight they can otherwise it is exploitation for money by those promoting it.

The video said only 1 state allows this to go on; I don't see that changing anytime soon.
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