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#390931 - 04/24/08 07:25 AM Re: ENERGY Collection [Re: kapow]
laf7773 Offline
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As a matter of fact Iaf visualisation, partucularly when relaxed does cause physical reactions. It is called an ideomotor response. It is used a lot in hypnosis and other relaxation training.




I'm well aware of the ideo motor response. It results in a twitch while under hypnosis usually in response to suggestions from the hypnotist. It has no bearing on what kapow claims.

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Originally posted by kapow: and my hand will clench and jerk forward into a punching motion. The feeling itself isnt powerful or anything, but this happens with me just imaginging it, i dont raise my hand or clench it knowingly. It only happens in my right arm i cant do it in my left.




This isn't IMR, it's over active imagination. Vivid, graphic visualization of a task can cause your brain to fixate on the task and your muscle memory will attempt to complete the task but stops because consciously you know your not actually performing it. This results in a slight twitch and would be achievable with either hand equally. It resembles nothing like what kapow says his reaction was.

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Is it not possible that kapow's enhanced breathing induced a state of deeper relaxation than he was used to which created ideal conditions for ideomotor responses?




Yes but not with the results he claims. It's either exaggeration or a teens over active imagination.

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Under even light hypnosis the human body is capable of greatly exceeding an individuals normal level of strength eg holding arms outstretched for half an hour without strain or previous training.




He wasn't under hypnosis and to say it was self hypnosis is a bit of a stretch even for this discussion. If a person under hypnosis were to perform the action you mentioned it would be at the direction of the hypnotist, not because they just thought "hey i'll try this".

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ps before you go on about hypno hocus pocus I am a qualified hypnotherapist having studied at the London College of Clinical Hypnosis.




Congratulations, so am i now supposed to take your word as gospel? I know a few hypnotists myself, one of which was a moderator in this very section before i was. Maybe i should invite him to join the conversation, he loves these.

kapow,

Let's break down your initial post and see if we can pin point exactly what it is you are claiming.

1. You may have dozed off and woke to a feeling of euphoria.
2. During this state you were able to perform physical feats beyond your normal capabilities.
3. You visualized punching someone and felt a "current" run down your shoulder into your right hand resulting in your hand clinching and jerking forward into a punching motion.

Is this about right? I'll just be blunt here since you aren't going to listen to anything anyone says unless they agree with you. I think it's nothing more than an over active imagination mixed in with a little exaggeration. Do i believe you felt something? Certainly, but i doubt the resulting physical actions are as you described. Most likely you were already capable of doing "12 reps in a tucked planche" but were just too lazy or unmotivated to do it prior to this.

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I know its a PUBLIC FORUM and as such i should expect PUBLIC POSTS, but IF I HAVE ALREADY KINDLY ASKED YOU NOT TO POST RUBBISH/SARCASTIC/NOT VERY FUNNY REPLIES..WHY SHOW IGNORANCE AND CONTINUE TO DO SO?




Regardless people are going to respond how they see fit. No one has broken any forum rules in their responses. The simple fact is they doubt your validity and credibility so they aren't taking it seriously.

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IF YOU WANT TO ARGUE OR POST CRAP GO MAKE YOURSELF A NEW THREAD SO YOU CAN ARGUE AND WHINGE AND MOAN AND PUT DOWN AS MUCH AS YOU LIKE.




Just because you originated the thread doesn't mean you can dictate who posts in it or what they post.

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Do you not THINK i know how my post comes across as 'mystical'? Do you not think i already foresaw people relating to this as yet another Dragonball Z wannabe post or the like? Which is WHY I SPECIFICALLY asked, in my original post, to not take the mick, be sarcastic and post only if you understand what i wrote. Some have understood, others have not.




If you knew it would be accepted in this way, why are you acting so surprised? Haven't you read any of the previous posts dealing with similar content? That's why i said in my initial post that this has been covered, if you had read any of those other posts not only would you have gotten the answers that are typical for this forum but you would have known the reaction you would get.

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I know where i can get instruction and what type




Then i suggest you take up instruction if it's available. Watching videos on youtube and reading books isn't going to teach you the martial arts or anything remotely close. If you’re not interested in training then why are you here? This forum is for the discussion of the martial arts, internal arts specifically (this section). It's not for the discussion of unproven or un-provable phenomenon. What you are talking about has nothing to do with your training as you have no training nor seem to desire any. You would rather gain your "experience" through the internet.

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Also, you say to puffy whether peoples reaction to this post is a result of their direct knowledge and experience and not lack of. It doesn't matter how long he has been on here. He obviously made the comment because of the knowledge he has about this forum, about other members posts, and about this thread.




Yes it does matter how long he's been here because he doesn't know the members here enough to know what there level of knowledge is, which is the point i was making. Just because they don’t believe in the same things doesn’t mean they are closed minded or ignorant of the subject matter.

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Look, if everyone can read through this thread, then none of you should have the problem of reading about BREATHING, FULL YOGIC BREATH, YOGA, CHAKRAS, MEDITATION, TAI CHI, BODILY ENERGY, BRAIN WAVE ACTIVITY, NEUROSCIENCE and the ELECTRIC CURRENT which your brain can produce and your body can become sensitised to.




You seem to be under the misunderstanding that the people responding to you here have no exposure to these things. I for one have some experience with tai chi, yoga, meditation etc. Just because people are calling BS doesn't mean they don't know anything about the subjects you have brought up. Quite the contrary, they are calling BS because they DO know.

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The blind kid who uses 'echo location' to navigate through the world? not possible you say? look it up.




That’s not an “extraordinary” ability. It’s quite common for blind people to do this, you or I could do this with practice.

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The guy who can stick objects to his body, even fridges, by using his mind, and how scientists to date dont have an explanation. not possible you say? how naive. look it up.




There is an explanation and it’s been given. Your so keep on looking things up on the internet and reading about it, give it a shot. You can start here. http://www.randi.org/jr/082704gluton.html#7 Just click on magnetic flubbery. You can also try this one. http://www.randi.org/joom/swift/swift/swift-march-14-2008.html#i14 and click on pot head man. If these guys TRULY had magnetic ability a light coat of talcum powder wouldn’t defeat them.

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There are so many people that can do things that defy your own beliefs, but its been proven to be achieved. The internet isnt just for porn. Try to learn something new.




Here is the thing, these things can and have been explained. Now I’ve never seen someone twist their body 180% but if it has happened without serious injury to the person it’s easy to explain that with a simple medical exam of the individual. Things like the no touch knock out, moving people with your chi or suddenly gaining exceptional endurance and strength after dozing off for a few minutes while “meditating” is not possible nor is has it been proven.

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READ about the above mentioned topics, in-depth.




One last thing about this statement. Most of us, me included, are doing much more than reading about them. We are going out and training, testing and actually EXPERIENCING these things. I can’t begin to tell you how many frauds and fakes I’ve come across in the states and various other countries who have all made exceptional claims about the effects of and uses of chi and NONE of them have been able to prove their claims in a blind test. I have yet to find someone able to KO or move me without touching me. It’s always the same thing “you don’t believe” or “there is too much negative energy here” or my favorite “your tongue was touching the roof of your mouth and your big toe was up, that’s why it didn’t work”.

How about instead of sitting in front of the computer all day reading about the martial arts and watching videos about them you actually get out and train. You aren’t going to learn the martial arts from videos and reading, you will only learn about them.
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#390932 - 04/24/08 11:51 AM Re: ENERGY Collection [Re: laf7773]
puffadder Offline
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Registered: 04/29/07
Posts: 250
Loc: UK
Wow. A guy says he experiences something and I try to help with giving an opinion and another guy apparently is so incenced with the first guys experience and my opinion of it that he knocks off a 1500 word reply to tell us how stupid we are!! What a waste of time and effort.

Apparently Iaf is the allseeing. We must all respect the great wisdom of his teachings (despite the fact he has no respect for anyone else).

I will now go away and commit seppuku with great shame.

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#390933 - 04/24/08 01:22 PM Re: ENERGY Collection [Re: puffadder]
cxt Offline
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Registered: 09/11/03
Posts: 5822
Loc: USA
Puffy

Like I already tried telling you and kapow---the assumption that everyone that disagrees with you is "stupid" etc was first made by you 2 guys.

You get what you give......around here if not always in life.

If you want to write compliants----start with kapows and to a lesser extent your own starements and treatment of forum members.

laf took the time to post a detailed response......he treated kapows posits as legit and answered each in turn.

As mentioned prior the only ones casting themselves as "all seeing" around here are you and kapow.

And disagreement with you 2 seemingly is not tolerated either.
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#390934 - 04/24/08 02:02 PM Re: ENERGY Collection [Re: cxt]
puffadder Offline
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Registered: 04/29/07
Posts: 250
Loc: UK
Don't worry. I won't bother again. Apparently Iaf was there, he knows exactly what was going on inside kapow's body and mind and so he wrote the 1500 word essay to tell us all what was really going on. Shame he can't be bothered to write puffadder but prefers to use a version that irritates to show how little respect he has for others.

Maybe kapow was making it all up, maybe not. I don't know and frankly couldn't give a [censored] anymore.

And now we wait for the response. These arguments go on and on and on and on because nobody will back down.
Write what the hell you like. I won't respond anymore on this thread.

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#390935 - 04/24/08 02:33 PM Re: ENERGY Collection [Re: puffadder]
cxt Offline
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Registered: 09/11/03
Posts: 5822
Loc: USA
puffy

No more so than you and kapow seem to feel that:

A-This is your own personal blog spot and everyone here is "supposed" to simply hold our tounges and listen to whatever you feel like saying.

B-Taking people to task for somehow failing to understand that when you guys "speak" YOUR NOT SUPPOSED TO BE QUESTIONED OR COMMENTED ON....sorry I missed the memo.

Wouldn't it have been easier for eveyone if you had just not posted anymore.....Oh...but that would mean you would have had to give up a chance to lecture to eveyone....certainly can't have THAT now can we.
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#390936 - 04/24/08 08:21 PM Re: ENERGY Collection [Re: cxt]
BrianS Offline
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Registered: 11/04/05
Posts: 5959
Loc: Northwest Arkansas
Chris,

You are just awesome with words,lol, you are killing me!!!

BTW, it was nice to see you again in K.C.!!

Hopefully next time we can get some training in.

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#390937 - 04/24/08 08:31 PM Re: ENERGY Collection [Re: BrianS]
Reiki Offline
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Posts: 3400
Loc: MiddleEarth
I am locking this thread because it has degenerated into a slanging match. Play nice people or...
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