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#387053 - 03/19/08 07:15 PM Re: kicking with? [Re: Hakusan22]
student_of_life Offline

Registered: 10/12/05
Posts: 1032
Loc: Newfoundland, Canada
im having trouble trying to picture the kind of kick your talking about, but thanks for the reply.
its not supposed to make sense

#387054 - 03/19/08 08:58 PM Re: kicking with? [Re: Hakusan22]
jude33 Offline

Registered: 03/14/07
Posts: 1539

Ideas and thoughts will always collide with different styles. I try to be open to all styles to learn about and pull the best from them. Not only for my benefit, but also to defeat the style i recognize. In any case, experience has shown me that no matter who i have faught, no one has taken this kick and still stood. And i have faught all types of fighters, including Thai MT. As i said before, it is just my experience. Telling me experience from reading or watching something doesnt tell me anything. so please dont argue a point with that.


Thought I would post this , just for your thoughts.

Its is in the main in the days when people didnt use
gloves, or werent realy thigh kick inclined, because thai boxing wasnt to well known.


#387055 - 03/19/08 09:22 PM Re: kicking with? [Re: student_of_life]
Ronin1966 Offline
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Registered: 04/26/02
Posts: 3119
Loc: East Coast, United States
Hello student of life:

I would adamently disagree the ball of the foot is for "light" precision. Yet admit to liking your shin analogy very, very much!


#387056 - 03/20/08 05:08 AM Re: kicking with? [Re: Ronin1966]
Shonuff Offline

Registered: 11/03/04
Posts: 604
Loc: London, UK
Personally I think the ball of the foot is meant for snapping techniques; not necessarily light kicks, but not anything as weight intensive as a thai swinging roundhouse.
It's Shotokan not Shoto-can't!!!

#387057 - 03/20/08 09:21 AM Re: kicking with? [Re: Hakusan22]
Zombie Zero Offline
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Registered: 06/17/05
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As for the RH kick itself, done correctly or not, it will still hurt. Naturally, i am not arguing that. I am simply giving an opinion to a problem someone was having. I did not post it so you can tear it up with your oppions.

Hakusan, welcome aboard.

This is an open forum. Posting your opinion on a subject comes with a reasonable expectation that others will respond with theirs.
In my walk in the martial way, my hope is that as long as I live, I will always be a beginner.

#387058 - 03/21/08 04:59 PM Re: kicking with? [Re: student_of_life]
TroTro Offline

Registered: 05/04/07
Posts: 59
Just my humble opinion:

If you kick with an amount of force more than your foot (ball, shin, blade, etc) can handle, or close to the limit, it is logical that your foot may get injury.

I think there are situation which apply *enough* force with the kick is enough to get the job done.

An analogy: Let say a punch to the chin, and the intention is to knock out the opponent. The puncher use X amount of force with his punch, and opponent got KO'ed. If the puncher use twice amount for the same punch, the opponent will still got KO'ed (Of course the damage should be more, but is it needed?)

#387059 - 03/21/08 08:17 PM Re: kicking with? [Re: student_of_life]
ttruscott Offline
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Registered: 03/11/08
Posts: 31
Loc: BC Canada
Hey, older and wiser says, "What ever works for you!"

Do them all, try them all, depend on none.
"Fear, not compassion, restrains the wicked."

#387060 - 04/01/08 01:02 PM Re: kicking with? [Re: ttruscott]
CA_Isshinryu Offline

Registered: 08/12/05
Posts: 98
Loc: California

Part A:
1. Find a friend that doesn't mind contact.
2. Kick them in the stomach with a VERY LIGHT TOP of the foot round house.
3. Increase the force of the kick slightly and rekick.
4. Continue 3 until your parter says stop.
5. Note the power required to make them stop.

Part B:
1. Find a friend that doesn't mind contact.
2. Kick them in the stomach with a VERY LIGHT BALL of the foot round house.
3. Increase the force of the kick slightly and rekick.
4. Continue 3 until your parter says stop.
5. Note the power required to make them stop.

I Guarantee the results will be that the Ball of the foot kick took about half the power to be just as effective.

That being said, do not kick a heavy bag with a ball of the foot round house kick with FULL POWER. Your just gonna hurt your toes and ankle.

This is a lightning fast kick that penetrates and does not need power to be effective. Due to the fact that you do not need a great deal of power you can use this kick at short range while inside fighting.

This kick is all about speed since getting your toes blocked when doing this kick HURTS. I usually use it when I get inside somebodys guard and their hands go up to protect ribs and head. I can snap this kick to the stomach and no matter how much muscle they have this will drop them.

#387061 - 04/01/08 09:57 PM Re: kicking with? [Re: student_of_life]
karate_popo Offline

Registered: 09/27/07
Posts: 154
Loc: NYC

as a shotoan guy i've always been tought to kick with the ball of the foot. i've had one shotokan teacer show me to use the shin for attacking the legs, but he warned me "don't let your instrctor know i show'd you this, lol" and i've had TKD and jujtsu guys show me to use the instep and the shin as well.

i actually had to get a shot of cortizone in my foot from kicking too much with the ball of my foot, but then through time it didn't hurt anymore.. we do this thing in class, where we balance on the ball of the foot for long periods of time, i think it strengthens that part of our foot. as far as using that to do a light kick.. i guess... but if i can use the ball of the foot, with a front thrust kick, to break wood, i wouldn't call that i light kick...

but this ball of the foot thing really gets to me sometimes! i was working on the heavybag this weekend and i notice that when i kick with a full power round kick using the ball of my foot, my foot hurts. i can feel it in the bones of my foot, and sometimes (even in shoes) my toes bend back very painfully. i stretch them to help with this, but my toes only go back so far.

i prefer to kick with the low shin because it feels much more solid. i can swing mch harder with the shin and the bag feels it all. if i ever did this in a shotokan tournament though, i would not get the point (another discussion)

my best conclusion is that kicking with the foot is for light precise shots and the shins are for barn yard swingers. thoughts?

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