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#386767 - 04/25/08 09:40 AM Re: What is Hakko Denshin Ryu ? [Re: tomh777]
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I think people get so worked up about legitmacy for a number of reasons. Part of it is the fact that there are so many illegitate groups calling what they do Daito Ryu, when there is no historical link. You're group doesn't do this, so I don't see what the problem could be.

Another reason I think people get so worked up about lineage is that without pressure testing, legitimacy can only come from the past.

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#386768 - 04/25/08 08:52 PM Re: What is Hakko Denshin Ryu ? [Re: Ames]
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I think people get so worked up about legitmacy for a number of reasons. Part of it is the fact that there are so many illegitate groups calling what they do Daito Ryu, when there is no historical link.
--Chris



Seems to me about a year ago I was engaged in a heated debate in which I said, "What do you mean I don't practice real aiki jitsu?"...Well, the profound revelation that I can to is...surprise surprise...I don't practice real aiki jitsu (especially if "real" is defined as Daito Ryu or a direct descendent of it). While there's a whole lot of aiki involved there's multiple differences and a myriad of additional influences. I would not have thought this a year ago but at this point I think distinguishing what is real "aiki jitsu is significant (just like knowing what is "real" japanese karate vs. okinawan vs american karate systems, etc.

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#386769 - 04/26/08 09:37 AM Re: What is Hakko Denshin Ryu ? [Re: tomh777]
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at this point I think distinguishing what is real "aiki jitsu is significant (just like knowing what is "real" japanese karate vs. okinawan vs american karate systems, etc.





Right, but all these systems are karate, right? Like it or not 'aikijujutsu', 'aikijitsu', etc. has taken on a diffirent defintion apart of Daito Ryu or Yanagi Ryu.

What I'm trying to get across is that there is nothing inherently wrong with calling what you do 'aikijitsu' or 'aikijujutsu', even though it has no direct linkage to DR. In the end, the public will decide if this is an accurate name or not.

The issue I have is when people claim a direct link to DR or hint at one, when in fact there isn't one whatsoever, or when their exposure totals one 2 day seminar.

So when I said your teacher seems to be on the level, I meant that, from what you have said, he doesn't seem to be attempting to establish a link between his art and Daito Ryu, nor is he calling what he does 'Daito Ryu'.

Basically, 'Daito Ryu Aikijujutsu' is diffirent from aikijitsu, or Obabta's Aikibujutsu, etc.

Although we could get into whether or not it's correct for these other systems to call themselves 'aikijujutsu' that's probably a new thread altogether.


Edited by Ames (04/26/08 09:40 AM)
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