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#386597 - 03/13/08 10:39 AM How many train with live baldes?
janxspirit Offline

Registered: 02/21/08
Posts: 132
So how many of you guys support your stick training with live blade training? I like the way a blade forces me to focus on my stroke technique, and I just like to play with swords anyway

What bout you guys?
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#386598 - 03/13/08 11:01 AM Re: How many train with live baldes? [Re: janxspirit]
MattJ Offline
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Hell no!
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#386599 - 03/13/08 05:57 PM Re: How many train with live baldes? [Re: MattJ]
Leo_E_49 Offline
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Registered: 02/24/05
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Is that even legal?

Regardless, it's about the most stupidly dangerous idea I've ever heard.
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#386600 - 03/13/08 10:45 PM Re: How many train with live baldes? [Re: Leo_E_49]
JKogas Offline

Registered: 01/25/03
Posts: 10818
Loc: North Carolina
I'd have to say no. I don't like my odds with live blades, particularly if I screw something up.


#386601 - 03/14/08 03:46 AM Re: How many train with live baldes? [Re: JKogas]
Cord Offline

Registered: 01/13/05
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Loc: Cambridge UK.
I am a live bald guy. People train with me regularly.

If you are talking about blades, I went to a less than brilliant school of kenjutsu when i didnt know any better about the subject, and did some Iaido with a live blade shinken. Got my draw wrong and sliced my thumb down to the bone. Only found out later that most schools dont let you even use a blunted real sword for ages, and live blade somtimes for years. I should have been using a bokken, and when I look at the scar in my thiumb, and think about the feeling of the blade 'biting' into the bone, I wish I had been.

If you train with live weaponry, then you will always be 'holding back', and when dealing with real situations, that is how you will respond. Train with low risk weaponry, and you can train with full resistance, so be better equipped to deal with the real thing if unlucky enough to encounter it.

Just my thoughts.
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#386602 - 03/14/08 03:46 PM Re: How many train with live baldes? [Re: Cord]
Neko456 Offline
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Registered: 01/18/05
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Loc: Midwest City, Ok, USA
We train live taped bladed sometimes to get a feel of why not to try to catch the blade. But live blade moving very slowly if ever, live blades bring blood.

My favorite live blade drill is the big mouth that says he has one in his pocket and it never makes it out. So its a live dead blade, it never gets to move.

Kali/Silat seminar I didn't have a blade and brought the taped real knife out they laught at me, saying No you can't practice with that and gave me a wooden one.

People that know what a knife can do don't want U practicing with a 2 men live blade training.

Now one person free movement drills with a live blade once you know something. Kinda like shadow boxing. Hell you can cut yourself with a very sharp live blade moving fast all by yourself.

Looking embarassed I've done it several times, but don't tell anybody. It don't hurt when it happens, until that night and from then on, healing pains.

I think question should be, Is it SMART to train live blade?

Edited by Neko456 (03/14/08 03:47 PM)

#386603 - 03/14/08 04:48 PM Re: How many train with live baldes? [Re: JKogas]
Kimo2007 Offline

Registered: 03/31/07
Posts: 1057
Well I really think it depends on your level of comfort and how real you want to be in your training.

For instance, when I first started to train catching bullets in my teeth, we used BB guns. But I soon realized the velocity difference was really screwing with my timing and if they day ever came when I had to catch a bullet on the street, I'd be screwed.

Same goes for arrows or spears, anything but a live bladed tip throws off the trajectory and speed, and let me tell you, if your timing is off catching an arrow in flight, it's a bummer.

Seriously though, unless you work for a traveling circus throwing knives at pretty girls, live blade work is both dangerous and counter productive.

** disclaimer** those of you who work with Swords might have good reason to use live blades, don't know never trained in weapons.
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#386604 - 03/15/08 02:12 AM Re: How many train with live baldes? [Re: Kimo2007]
ShikataGaNai Offline

Registered: 08/27/05
Posts: 1163
Loc: Bellingham, WA
It's something to do only ritually with a trusted training partner, with the understanding that it is after all, pretty stupid. The only benefit I see from it is gaining 'respect for the blade', which seems to be a recurring theme in the FMAs. However, you can gain the same respect by using aluminum training blades, as they are still pretty scary and they are definitely pointy. You can also train realistically with them, and if they fall on the floor you don't have to worry about your nice fancy sword or knife getting chipped or dulled.
I like to flick balisongs around for solo practice. I use them to slice open UPS packages. I've gotten pretty good, and most cardboard and tape products have learned to fear me.

#386605 - 03/15/08 05:54 PM Re: How many train with live baldes? [Re: janxspirit]
Ronin1966 Offline
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Registered: 04/26/02
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Hideous choice of words mate, an example of the "Darwin Principle" in action


#386606 - 06/08/08 09:13 AM Re: How many train with live baldes? [Re: janxspirit]
Inner_Ear Offline

Registered: 07/17/05
Posts: 29
In addition to the comment posted by the iaido-ka, those studying kobudo often don't start training with bladed weapons until 1st dan. Kamas are an excellent example (the little scythe-like weapon). When the student is ready they're given a set of wooden ones, and here's one of the reasons: When perferming or practicing a few of the techniques, the blade ends up on the opposite side of your back. If you're not careful, you end up removing your own kidney.
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