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#386372 - 03/13/08 12:55 PM Re: Universal Usage of Okinawan Karate Techniques [Re: jude33]
MattJ Free Rhinoplasty! Prolific Registered: 11/25/04 Posts: 15629 Loc: York PA. USA	Quote: If a modern boxer trained for a bout with a grappler, by learning grappling techniques so he would know what the grappler would do , I would call that training to use his art against a grappler. That makes no sense whatsoever. If it is "in the art" to begin with, why do you need to train against the grappler? That is cross-training, exactly my point. Nothing wrong with cross-training, either. But call it what it is. _________________________ "In case you ever wondered what it's like to be knocked out, it's like waking up from a nightmare only to discover it wasn't a dream." -Forrest Griffin
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#386373 - 03/13/08 12:59 PM Re: Universal Usage of Okinawan Karate Techniques [Re: MattJ]
medulanet Professional Poster Registered: 09/03/03 Posts: 2142 Loc: Phoenix, Arizona USA	Quote: Quote: Matt, the thing is I don't consider what I do cross training, you do. I guess that is a really big issue for you. If by "you", you mean "damn near everybody but medulanet", then I agree. Definitely, but I have always been different from everybody else. _________________________ Dulaney Dojo
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#386374 - 03/13/08 01:13 PM Re: Universal Usage of Okinawan Karate Techniques [Re: MattJ]
jude33 Veteran Registered: 03/14/07 Posts: 1539	Quote: If a modern boxer trained for a bout with a grappler, by learning grappling techniques so he would know what the grappler would do , I would call that training to use his art against a grappler. That makes no sense whatsoever. If it is "in the art" to begin with, why do you need to train against the grappler? That is cross-training, exactly my point. Nothing wrong with cross-training, either. But call it what it is. If you look at how bare knuckle boxers trained before the different rules were made then they grappled, and did all kinds of wonderfull stuff. Their art got watered down to what it is for safe competition. Sport.. I think the same thing happened to certain strains of karate. One of the reasons for a lack of most things is certain strains were sold to the West with a whole lot of stuff missing. It got watered down. If it was always there then to a degree I think it will be in the kata(s) There is striking in Judo, as the art was established and given a name. But who trains it? Do judo ka train striking in judo? I dont think many do. To re- establish striking then perhaps a Judo ka would have to train with a striker. Cross training to re- establish what was created and called judo in the first place. My research is in the main to an Okinawan art that was later named karate. Jude Edited by jude33 (03/13/08 01:21 PM)
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#386375 - 03/13/08 03:28 PM Re: Universal Usage of Okinawan Karate Techniques [Re: jude33]
haze Dragon Registered: 06/11/06 Posts: 106 Loc: Syracuse NY USA	Jude, Judo having strikes? This I really never knew. I know that judo is a derivative of jujutsu and many schools of jujutsu had strikes, both hands and feet. I was under the impression that judo took that out and was created for sport just as kendo was created for sport. Edited by haze (03/13/08 03:36 PM) _________________________ David
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#386376 - 03/13/08 06:30 PM Re: Universal Usage of Okinawan Karate Techniques [Re: Zach_Zinn]
BrianS Higher rank than you Professional Poster Registered: 11/04/05 Posts: 5959 Loc: Northwest Arkansas	Quote: On a related topic, I'd be interested in how you guys integrate the ground stuff in your classes generally. We have learned groundfighting from an outside source and integrated it into our curriculum. We learn takedowns,sprawling,armbars,etc.. We don't get indepth with it though. Quote: For myself I have been teaching litte enough time that all we've really done is incredibly simple stuff like lapel chokes and side control, and it's not something we do that often. Of course being Goju we do a fair amount of standing grappling, takedowns, and throws and on rare occasions we have actually "rolled" in class, but we are not good and it is mostly just for fun. Ofcourse! _________________________ The2nd ammendment, it makes all the others possible. <///<
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#386377 - 03/13/08 06:31 PM Re: Universal Usage of Okinawan Karate Techniques [Re: medulanet]
BrianS Higher rank than you Professional Poster Registered: 11/04/05 Posts: 5959 Loc: Northwest Arkansas	Quote: Made a long post addressing each of you points Brian. But I don't have the strength to compete with the marketing machine of American Goju. Another day, another time, maybe. We're not into marketing. Don't want to be. We'll leave that to you and the ATA. _________________________ The2nd ammendment, it makes all the others possible. <///<
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#386378 - 03/13/08 06:32 PM Re: Universal Usage of Okinawan Karate Techniques [Re: MattJ]
BrianS Higher rank than you Professional Poster Registered: 11/04/05 Posts: 5959 Loc: Northwest Arkansas	Quote: Quote: Matt, the thing is I don't consider what I do cross training, you do. I guess that is a really big issue for you. If by "you", you mean "damn near everybody but medulanet", then I agree. _________________________ The2nd ammendment, it makes all the others possible. <///<
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#386379 - 03/13/08 06:54 PM Re: Universal Usage of Okinawan Karate Techniques [Re: haze]
MattJ Free Rhinoplasty! Prolific Registered: 11/25/04 Posts: 15629 Loc: York PA. USA	Quote: Judo having strikes? This I really never knew. I know that judo is a derivative of jujutsu and many schools of jujutsu had strikes, both hands and feet. I was under the impression that judo took that out and was created for sport just as kendo was created for sport. Hi Haze. I had to look it up myself, too. But Jude appears to be correct in this case: http://www.judoinfo.com/jhist.htm "Judo's striking techniques included upper (ude ate) and lower limb blows (ashi ate). Among the striking techniques were those utilizing fists, elbows, hand-edges, fingers, knees and feet as striking points. Because of its lethal nature, Atemi waza was also taught exclusively to high ranking Judokas at the Kodokan." Probably why it is not well known. _________________________ "In case you ever wondered what it's like to be knocked out, it's like waking up from a nightmare only to discover it wasn't a dream." -Forrest Griffin
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#386380 - 03/13/08 11:12 PM Re: Universal Usage of Okinawan Karate Techniques [Re: BrianS]
medulanet Professional Poster Registered: 09/03/03 Posts: 2142 Loc: Phoenix, Arizona USA	Quote: Quote: Made a long post addressing each of you points Brian. But I don't have the strength to compete with the marketing machine of American Goju. Another day, another time, maybe. We're not into marketing. Don't want to be. We'll leave that to you and the ATA. What's the ATA? You really do know more about this stuff then you are letting on, don't you Brian S? _________________________ Dulaney Dojo
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#386381 - 03/14/08 12:30 AM Re: Universal Usage of Okinawan Karate Techniques [Re: medulanet]
BrianS Higher rank than you Professional Poster Registered: 11/04/05 Posts: 5959 Loc: Northwest Arkansas	You brought it up. If you want to start a thread questioning the merits and training of my club I'll be happy to answer your questions. You somehow feel the need to attack my position on the groundfighting in kata issue by attacking American Goju and the fact that I'm from Arkansas 'un we awl like ta wrassle' _________________________ The2nd ammendment, it makes all the others possible. <///<
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