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#385232 - 03/05/08 03:21 AM Kung Fu Double Weapons
18lohans Offline

Registered: 01/16/05
Posts: 321
As of now, I still don't have any double weapons in my arsenal. So just got curious and thought I'd ask a few questions:

- Are double weapons considered to be advanced in most kung fu systems?

- How practical (assuming we live in times where we'd actually need to use our weapons), fun, useful, challenging and likeable are double weapons?

- How relatively rare are double weapons and their sets?

- For double swords, are two swords preferred over those double swords that come with the half handles? And if so, does any one simply own a pair of half handle double swords and use one sword at a time for the single sword practice?
"Now use head for something other than target!" Still never attacked by trees, 18lohans

#385233 - 03/05/08 06:29 AM Re: Kung Fu Double Weapons [Re: 18lohans]
WhiteDragon11 Offline

Registered: 05/02/07
Posts: 1165
Loc: Florida, United States
Hey 18lohans

-Yes, I believe double weapons are considered advanced. However, it really depends on the curriculum, style and teacher.

-Well considering you will not carry 2 swords with you wherever you go, they might not be the best practicable weapons. But when your talking about 2 short sticks, or something along those lines then yes they are like 2 extensions of your fists.

-At my school, we use the double broadsword (with the half handle). And most of the students will use one of them for single broadsword. So it really doesnt matter either way. I think it is better than 2 separate swords, however, that is just my opinion.

#385234 - 03/05/08 07:39 AM Re: Kung Fu Double Weapons [Re: 18lohans]
jdkf Offline

Registered: 02/25/07
Posts: 30

I was shown a double stick/sword form last week at class so will be learning that shortly. We have covered 2 hand, 1 staff and 1 single stick form to get to this stage. We are learning eagle movements and this double stick form is apparently along these lines.
Agree with previous post when using sticks as extension on fist/arm movement, with regards to practical uses ,I find learing with stick/staff benefits the unarmed "versions" of form or movements massivelyso you dont have to be armed with stick/sword to reap the benefits of practice with them.

#385235 - 03/05/08 07:56 AM Re: Kung Fu Double Weapons [Re: 18lohans]
WuXing Offline

Registered: 10/24/05
Posts: 481
Loc: Idaho, USA
It depends on the style you're in, I think. Generally, the single weapon will be learned before the double, unless the weapon is always found in a pair. Like sai/cha, butterfly swords, tiger hook swords...there's almost always two of these.
I think double dao are pretty common, and getting the set which fit in the same scabbard is very handy. To be thrifty, I know many people who bought the double set before they needed it, and just used one until it was time to learn the double set. Personally, I prefer a single full handled dao.
Double jian are less common, and I don't think I would like a half-handled jian either. They are thin enough that having two single ones wouldn't be a big deal, I think. Tiger hook swords don't have a scabbard, so they don't need the half handled thing. Learning those is also fairly rare, I think.
If you're in a southern style, like wing chun or hung gar, then you're going to learn the double butterfly swords. It's usually one of the only weapons they teach, besides the staff. So it's not rare at all, for them.
In other styles, I think the double dao is the most common double set. They're quite practical it is depends on how you train, I guess. Some of the techniques can be applied to sticks, but obviously some movements require a blade to make any sense.

I think generally the double sets would not be taught until later, more advanced stages, just because you're usually going to learn the single weapon first if there is one. It all depends on the style, though.

#385236 - 03/06/08 12:50 AM Re: Kung Fu Double Weapons [Re: WuXing]
18lohans Offline

Registered: 01/16/05
Posts: 321
Thanks for all the replies so far! They're all very informative.

I think I'll be shopping around for a pair of double swords soon then (half-handles). Do you guys keep flags on yours? Also, if you were to use one of them for single sword sets, do you pick the right or left half?

Double sticks sound interesting. I haven't seen that at my school yet. Are they an actual weapon set, or more or less like a starter's way to learn double swords?

Double Jians to me sound like an odd idea... I saw some vids on youtube, and I must say that it's basically like Double Daos? It basically hacks and cuts, more than it slices, etc... To me, I think Double Jians lose a lot of the Jian characteristics. Am I on the right track? (I haven't actually learned or tried a double jian set)
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#385237 - 03/06/08 06:20 AM Re: Kung Fu Double Weapons [Re: 18lohans]
WhiteDragon11 Offline

Registered: 05/02/07
Posts: 1165
Loc: Florida, United States
I would try to keep on the flag. However, they fall off a lot, theres not much you can do to keep them on.
I would use the right handle, if your gripping it with your right hand.


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