My main art is and always will be karate. I agree in the main with your statement.
But If I am in the main correct with my assumptions as regards the escape of the knee on the chest being in tekki then how would I train to use it? In fact that would back up my thought process. If the knee on the chest existed in okinawan wrestling then more the reason the escape is in tekki.
The mechanics of the moves would be in the kata.
I can practice it as a two man drill.
But how can I then practice such a move against a live opponent thus counter attacking and / or getting back to my feet?
I think in judo the term would be randori.
Then in shiai.
If it is none striking randori and I have practiced and drilled my striking techiques/ kept up with conditioning/
fitness/ drilled and practiced arm bars and chokes ( no gi and with gi).
Then I will be be better able to see the application of striking during live practice.
And gain some grappling skills.
Its the same as working with the boxers/ thai boxers.
Getting use to working technique against a live opponent.
It was refered to early in the thread about being nonesense to think that simple bunkia would work against a grappler.
So if the simple bunkia is made to work in a grappling scenario?
I always take your valid points on board Victor.
Every strike in karate is a strike, it is an armbar, it is a counter to a grab from the rear, you move that step is to disrupt an opponents leg, or even disrupt their instep so surgeons get large payments, you may practice straight line movement, but in application it might be at any angle to an attack.
I always take your valid points on board Victor. I tend to look at what you and some others post and research further.
The " surgeons get large payments" part of karate I have some knowledge of but am still learning is trained seperate.