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Well thanks for the concern Jude,

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Thats fine Zach, anytime.
AS I have already stated somewhere. I train grappling, the type I train is more like old style judo combind with mixed martial arts. Most of the guys I train with have had MMA bouts. Some havent. I also train with a few thai boxers and boxers.

The guys I train with are just guys who want to train , like me.

The top guy name dropping part? If I want to try to B/S and look good by merely posting a name to back/ bluff my assumptions thats easy. Nip over and train with Iain machine Freeman on an open mat day.
Then state who I have trained with.

Not my style Zach I dont realy need such ego trip.s My attempts at mushin wont allow me

Zach, can I ask a question? Did you at some time try to study karate history and draw a blank?
What I post is in the main speculation and as all history best guess work.
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History of Jujitsu, Japanese, one of the big infleunces is thought to be from Chen Yuanein. Who was chinese by the way.
So a Japanese art? furthered by chinese arts? Practiced by all sorts? Techniques of which seem to be in karate?
Did they arive in Okinawa via the chinese population?
I will let you work out the rest.
Karate evolved through cross training.
Techniques that are perhaps lost should be in the kata.
Jude

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You know, ground work in a fight is usually only prolonged if you are not good at it (you can't finish your opponent or you can't get up). And sometimes it is very short if your not good at it(you get your limbs broken, you get choked out, or you get knocked out). I don't think anyone has prolonged groundwork as a strategy. In fact, I'll do you one better and say that prolonged striking is not contained within classical kata. However, in training to develop skills you can engage in prolonged striking training sessions. Training methods to develop skill are different from classical kata. I personally believe that that is a big mistake many people are making. They are confusing principles of fighting contained in classical kata with training methods. I personally look at grappling training the same way I view weight lifting or sprint training or hojo undo or calesthenics. It is a training method to develop a skill set. That is why Kyan's father trained him in a form of wrestling before he began classical karate training.

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Every strike in karate is a strike, it is an armbar, it is a counter to a grab from the rear, you move that step is to disrupt an opponents leg, or even disrupt their instep so surgeons get large payments, you may practice straight line movement, but in application it might be at any angle to an attack.

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