Browsed a Blackbelt Mag in Borders over the holiday weekend and did a little reading about this newer, apparently easier to learn form created by Ernie Cates. Right now I don't have any real ground work and I was curious if anyone had heard anything about this or had any opinions on it?

Tried to do some more internet research on it and either didn't know how to look or just wasn't much out there(I'm assuming the latter to preserve my precious ego )

But seriously... based on the movements of a cat and very easy to learn and apply? I have some doubts, any type of groundwork seems to me like it would take a very long time to do correctly no?

For most people on the board, this will "say it all"
World Head of Family Sokeship Council : web page

It's really hard to take anyone here serious.

It may be effective self defense. But in goolgling it, all I find connected to it are a bunch of "soke grandmaster", "10th Dans".

I have nothing against someone creating a new style. In fact, one of the styles that I teach (Koroho Goshin Jutsu) is new. But the Founder did not go to a web site and buy a "sokeship" to try and gain credability. He worked very hard for 10 years to build a school and do puiblic demonstrations and various competitions to allow the style to stand on it's own or fall. It stood on it's own and he is a very credible person.

If I ever decided to create my own style I would do the same thing.

To do something like go to any "sokeship council" and buy "recognition" from people that you don't know and will likely never meet, kind of indicates to me that the person already knows there is no real credibility, so it has to be manufactured.

Like I said, he may really be onto something good. But serious, credible peaple are going to steer clear of it.

Aww I kinda had a feeling that might've been the case. Especially when I can't find anyone who even teaches it via online searching. I also train in a 'new' system done much the same way. The founder did exhibitions, and took students until the weight of the form spoke for itself. And I was all excited to learn feline jitsu XD

Hi. A very late history lesson for you.

Neko-ryu goshin jitsu was developed by Professor of Judo (8th dan) Ernie Cates with Nakabiyashi Sensei (combative measures instructor at the Japanese Naval Academy) and Kotani Sensei (Kodokan 10th dan) with the original intent of being a short course that could give a businessman reasonable training in simple self-defense principles in a 4-hour course back in 1962. It was later taught as part of the hand-to-hand combat system to the Marine Corp when Sensei Cates was an combat instructor in the Corp at Parris Island. Since then, it has evolved into a complete system. It does have many principles based on the movements of a cat, and integrates judo and jujitsu in the art. Sensei Cates constantly added things from other styles over the years, and continues to do so.

Professor Cates didn't "buy" his sokeship as a previous poster inferred. Professor Cates was awarded the title of Professor from the U.S. Judo Association of which he currently holds an eighth degree black belt (Hachi Dan) in Kodokan Judo. He also holds a seventh degree black belt in Taiho JuJutsu (Police Tactics) and a seventh degree black belt in Goshin Jitsu (Self Defense Tactics). Professor Cates was recognized by the World Head of Family Sokeship Council as Soke (or founder and head of family) for the Neko-ryu system making the system a recognized and validated martial art.

Professor Cates has been inducted into the American-Okinawan Karate Association Hall of Fame; the International Association of Martial Arts Hall of Fame and the World Head of Family Sokeship Council International Hall of Fame.

Professor Cates is retired from the U.S. Marine Corps where he achieved the rank of Captain. During his career in the Marines, he was the 1956 Okinawa Judo Champion, the overall All Marine Corps Judo Champion from 1959 to 1963 and the All Marine Corps Judo Champion from 1959 to 1965 in his weight division. He was also twice the USMC Inter-service Grand Champion in Judo. Professor Cates is currently the only American ever to be awarded the Japanese Ambassador's Cup in Judo which he received in 1962. Professor Cates has taught over half a million U.S. Marines in hand-to-hand combat. Professor Cates has served as Captain of the Eastern United States USMC Team Championships and the Southern U.S. AAU. Professor Cates also trained Dan Severn for the Ultimate Fighting Championships.

During a military tour of Vietnam from 1965 to 1967, at the University of Hue he trained Ngo Dong in Judo, and helped Professor Dong add Judo techniques to the art of Cuong Nhu.

Professor Cates also served as a law enforcement officer and taught police recruits in tactical training at the Mid-Michigan Police Academy while serving as a deputy sheriff in Shiawasi County, Michigan. The mid-Michigan Police Academy is located in Lansing and serves as a training ground for all of Michigan's Law Enforcement drug task force entry teams. Professor Cates has trained Federal, State and local law enforcement officers throughout the United States, and has been chosen to instruct nuclear facility and private security personnel. Professor Cates has also served as the Michigan State University Judo Team Coach.

He's got his bona fides. And FTR - he's my jujitsu sensei and promoted me to nidan in Neko-ryu goshin jitsu last year. And I still have a butt-ton to learn from him and his son (Sensei "Moose" Cates, now soke of the style).

Peace out.

PS Somebody needs to work on their googling skilz.

Blah blah blah blah,

I'm the founder of Bulldog-Ryu Goshin Jutsu.

Developed via youtube and lots of wikipedia research.

I bought credentials over the net and then I just claim that I've taught both marines and law enforcement.

My son got his arse handled to him now so I avoid real confrontation and instead develop a cult-like following.

I am the first Vietnamese descendant to be awarded the "Bach Ho" or White Tiger rank in Vovinam and thus I integrated into my art just to screw with my student's minds and totally confuse them.

And yes, I'm a 60th Dan in Judo and I hate throwing, so I developed a striking style of judo based on kicks.

Now I have a school which used to be managed poorly, but now I scam people with fake dvd's and I give them 5 years contract they must sign on. Other than that, I enjoy humiliating them by wearing a pink gi, however, instead of pants they have to wear a kilt colored like the american flag just to show patriotism.

My son runs the dojo now as I'm in Prison for fraud.

~Soke Doke Donnie

P.S... For fack's sake, how many JJJ styles do you need before people realize there's only so many ways to bend a limb or throw a person?

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For fack's sake, how many JJJ styles do you need before people realize there's only so many ways to bend a limb or throw a person?

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15,843!!!

Thought I'd provide a little information. Obviously a close-minded community.

It's not a closed-minded community.

It's just my own opinion.

Don't go over-generalizing a whole community.

Your teacher, Ernie Cates, seems to be likeable fellow, and it seems that his credentials are very good.

The only thing I don't understand is why most higher ranked JJJ practitioners always start their own style when you think about it; There's only so much to a style.

Put whatever theory and ideologies you want, you still end up the same, why go calling it a new style of JJJ?

That's what I meant with my P.S. How many styles do you need before everyone start to realize that jujutsu, especially japanese, will always remain the same no matter what style, and the only difference is the one brought upon by an individual. An ude-garami is an ude-garami in judo and japanese jujutsu, or Sambo, or BJJ, doubt it'll be any different in Neko-ryu.

Although I must say that Cates holds a bit too many BB to sound normal. I've got 2 and that I spent my whole lifetime to earn, how can these people earn 10-12 of them? Either they're extremely talented beyond mortals, or they're a fraud. I'm not accusing Cates of being a fraud, but I just find it weird he can hold so many belts.

But then again, I'm going in circles. Why shouldn't he have so many belts when most jujutsu styles are the same, just with different names. Just take a test for each one and voila! You're a GM with over 10 belts.

~Donnie

A lot of these so called "Ju Jitsu" styles irk me.

They are created by people who have had little to no experience of authentic, traditional Japanese Ju Jutsu. They study some Judo, a bit of Karate, and hey presto, they make up a "Ju Jitsu" style.

This isn't a Japanese martial art, it is a pseudo-Japanese system called "Ju Jitsu" to market it to people who may be interested in Japanese martial arts/Samurai Fantasists

The Martial arts community is the only place that I know this happens.

If I played basketball for 10 years, then opened up a soccer school, despite never having played soccer, then proceeded to teach you basketball while telling you it was soccer, you wouldn't go within a mile of my soccer club, would you?

Yet within martial arts, due to ignorance of Eastern culture, people in Western Society go to these so called "New Jitsu" places thinking they are doing something they are not.

WJJF, Atemi Ju Jitsu, World Sokeship Council.... et al peddle the same kind of misinformation and deceipt. They aren't teaching traditional Japanese arts, yet they let people think they are. They should very clearly state, in public, (be it on a website, a poster, in adverts in magazines etc...) WHAT EXACTLY IT IS THEY TEACH! If they want to mish mash Judo, Karate, Wrestling, Combatives, Kickboxing, etc... that is fine. But they should tell people what it is they are studying.

I walked passed a WJJF poster the other day that advertized itself as "traditional Japanese Martial Art". Rob Clarke, founder of WJJF, didn't learn an awful lot (if any) traditional Japanese martial arts, yet his orginization allows this kind of public misinformation to continue.

Sorry for the rant



BTW, Neko-Ryu Goshin Jutsu may be a very enjoyable and "effective" art, and to be fair to Mr Cates, he at least is fairly open about what it is he is teaching: "Neko-Ryu is based primarily on Goshin Jitsu and Kodokan Judo."

So he is teaching Judo, in other words...

Quote was from this article: http://www.dallaskenpo.com/seminars/professor_ernie_cates_seminar.html (Response to Question 4)

ditto!