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#383637 - 02/19/08 06:55 AM Scary Stuff Bad Cops
kyushoperson Offline
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Hi

What do you think of these cops?

http://www.break.com/index/cop-dumps-handicapped-person-on-floor.html

http://view.break.com/451677

They disgust me, luckily they were filmed this time

tc

Helen

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#383638 - 02/19/08 07:51 AM Re: Scary Stuff Bad Cops [Re: kyushoperson]
Bushi_no_ki Offline
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Subject we've been over a few times. A few bad cops diminishing the overall respect for a very hard profession to live in.

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#383639 - 02/19/08 09:56 AM Re: Scary Stuff Bad Cops [Re: Bushi_no_ki]
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Cops are just people and a lot of people in this world suck. Doesn't mean every cop is bad though.
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#383640 - 02/19/08 11:09 AM Re: Scary Stuff Bad Cops [Re: kyushoperson]
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Heres another recent one

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4b3_1203380543

You guys dont seem bothered by these scum?

I hope youre not coppers

cause that'd make it seem like you condone this behaviour?

tc

H

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#383641 - 02/19/08 11:15 AM Re: Scary Stuff Bad Cops [Re: kyushoperson]
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No one is "condoning" their behaviour. But bad apples are bad apples everywhere. As many bad cops exist, there are FAR more bad folks in regular society. Check your local newspaper, I'm sure you'll see what I mean.
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#383642 - 02/19/08 12:37 PM Re: Scary Stuff Bad Cops [Re: kyushoperson]
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Read the other post and you will see where it bothers us...And like Matt said, they are bad apples and unfortunately bring a bad light to the whole. The vids are actually getting a little tiresome. Instead of harping on the bad apples why not show some good cops doing good...
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#383643 - 02/19/08 01:20 PM Re: Scary Stuff Bad Cops [Re: JasonM]
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Sadly, most people don't hear of all the good cops that are out there and it is a very thankless job.
For all the dozens of good cops there are, one bad one makes the news and it's "those dirty cops".

Sometimes the bad cops just don't push the limits enough to actually get fired. The get warnings and suspensions and maybe even appear to straighten up, or they get better at not getting caught. But for they most part they get weeded out.
Wherever there are people, power/authority and money, there will be corruption and abuse. Some cops will abuse thier authority and some think they are above the law. Some will kill, others will take money from drug dealers.
Sure, some people become cops because of thier ego, they want to bust people up and use the badge to push people around. Some become cops because it's a stable, "civile service" job with decente steady pay and a good retirement. Then others who really want to do something meaningful. And perhaps combinations of reasons.
But once you get in, it's a hard job to keep if you don't have the right motivation for being there.
So in the long run, most cops are incredibly decent people who care deeply about the community they serve. It would be impossible to risk your life on a daily basis, dealing with all sorts of scum and have the scorn of the public heaped on you if deep down you really didn't care.

I'm sure that every day, good cops hear from criminal lawyers, the press and the public and just think "I should just quit. I don't get paid enough to put up with this crap". But then, the next shift, the badge goes back on and they put thier life on the line again.

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#383644 - 02/19/08 09:43 PM Re: Scary Stuff Bad Cops [Re: JAMJTX]
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Sounds like the OP is just bitter at the cops about something

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#383645 - 02/20/08 09:02 AM Re: Scary Stuff Bad Cops [Re: animematt]
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Most logical/normal/well-adjusted people realize that people are people and that there are people that "make mistakes" in all walks of life. Most of the above people also know that there are people that also do bad/unethical/evil things on purpose.

Every now and then it seems a troll or two will stop by and come on here and try to kick some sand around.

I don't know of ANY profession, group of people, race of people, etc etc that are all good OR all bad.

Maybe it takes a certain amount of wisdom or maturity to realize this I don't know...

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#383646 - 02/20/08 06:46 PM Re: Scary Stuff Bad Cops [Re: hunterkell]
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http://my.break.com/Content/view.aspx?ContentID=456655

I'm not sure what happened here,but that woman was brutalized while in handcuffs.
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#383647 - 02/21/08 09:08 AM Re: Scary Stuff Bad Cops [Re: BrianS]
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BrianS,

Why do you feel this woman was brutalized? I think it is VERY interesting that the footage is rolling except when she actually gets hurt. I would bet that part is on tape, too, however, was deleted for the purpose of this video. Based on the nature of the injuries on her face, I would say the following:

First, since I was not there, I also am not sure exactly what happened here, however, based on many years of law enforcement experience, I can make an educated guess. First of all, she was not at all compliant, so she was placed in cuffs. The officer did not use any strikes or anything to control, only guided hand controls on the video (once again, not there and there may have been more...don't know). However, what PROBABLY happened is that she got hyper again, and ended up falling face down on the floor. Since she was handcuffed, she broke her fall with her nose and forehead. The nature of the injury looks like severe broken nose. The unknowledgeable person would assume the black eyes are from strikes to the eyes and face, however, that is actually more consistent with a major impact to the nose...like falling flat on the face. Since the video obviously has parts missing, it looks more to me like it has been tampered with to appear as if the cops did something wrong...I'd be willing to bet the only thing done wrong in this case was leaving the room and letting her hurt herself. If they had actually beat her and then tried to cover it up, do you really think you would be seeing even this much of the tape?

As far as the first video shown...absolutely no excuse for dumping a man out of a wheelchair. That deputy and all involved should be not just fired, but in jail. Having said that, though, bear in mind that MOST of what you see, even if the cops did something wrong is still reported in a biased manner. For instance, if you watch the video, you will see the man in the wheelchair tapping/moving his left leg towards the end of the video...a quadrapelegic (sp?) can't do that. I think he probably definitely needs to be in a wheelchair...but I also think the media tweaked the story just a little. That is not to sound like I am defending the deputies...they were absolutely wrong. But I wish the stories were truly unbiased and presented only the facts, or even opinions based on the facts, but instead, they are usually slanted to present the viewer only one side, often with facts changed to suit the story (read: lies).

Bad cops should be severely punished. Period. However, I think there are a lot more incidents where is is assumed the cops used excessive force when in fact they did not, than the other way around. I have personally been accused of using excessive force several times...but the evidence always showed I acted in accordance with law and standard procedure. But I also know for a fact that if some of the situations I have been in were video-taped, it would have been extremely easy to cut certain parts out and make it look like I was not only the instigator, but clearly the aggressor, which was never the case.

Just my two cents. Respectfully, Jason

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#383648 - 02/21/08 10:00 AM Re: Scary Stuff Bad Cops [Re: JM2007]
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Hey Jason,

We have a lot of good people on this board.

But you will see a bit of popo bashing from some members. Don't know why but it seems a small minority of them come on here to exorcize some type of personal demon(s).

But we also have a quite a few that try to view things with an open mind and consider things on a case by case basis.

Welcome,
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#383649 - 02/21/08 03:20 PM Re: Scary Stuff Bad Cops [Re: hunterkell]
cxt Offline
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not that it matters but someone using "kyusho" as part of their screen-name is posting this stuff all over the place--couple of other MA forums etc.

Just an FYI

Not sure how to take someone from a whole other country that is so keen to get the news out that every now and then you get some bad LEO's in the States.

When something bad happens in England I don't usully rush to my keyboard and send by friends in Londan a video clip of something that happend just down the street from them.

Maybe they are just looking out for us?



Edited by cxt (02/21/08 03:25 PM)
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#383650 - 02/21/08 04:36 PM Re: Scary Stuff Bad Cops [Re: hunterkell]
JM2007 Offline
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Hi Kelly,

Quote:

We have a lot of good people on this board.




I have to completely agree. I have learned a lot from a number of people in this forum. I usually just read and kind of stay in the background...but every now and then I feel I have to say something.

Thanks for the welcome....respectfully, Jason

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#383651 - 02/22/08 06:39 PM Re: Scary Stuff Bad Cops [Re: JM2007]
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Quote:

Why do you feel this woman was brutalized? I think it is VERY interesting that the footage is rolling except when she actually gets hurt. I would bet that part is on tape, too, however, was deleted for the purpose of this video. Based on the nature of the injuries on her face, I would say the following:

First, since I was not there, I also am not sure exactly what happened here, however, based on many years of law enforcement experience, I can make an educated guess. First of all, she was not at all compliant, so she was placed in cuffs. The officer did not use any strikes or anything to control, only guided hand controls on the video (once again, not there and there may have been more...don't know). However, what PROBABLY happened is that she got hyper again, and ended up falling face down on the floor. Since she was handcuffed, she broke her fall with her nose and forehead. The nature of the injury looks like severe broken nose. The unknowledgeable person would assume the black eyes are from strikes to the eyes and face, however, that is actually more consistent with a major impact to the nose...like falling flat on the face. Since the video obviously has parts missing, it looks more to me like it has been tampered with to appear as if the cops did something wrong...I'd be willing to bet the only thing done wrong in this case was leaving the room and letting her hurt herself. If they had actually beat her and then tried to cover it up, do you really think you would be seeing even this much of the tape?





My post,just as yours, is pure speculation. I agree that the woman was not compliant,but the way the officer handled it made things more difficult. I saw him repeatedly slam the woman into the wall. I think that's where the injuries came from,not from strikes(duh). How likely is it that she fell straight forward on her face and received those injuries? Not likely IMO , I'm not buying it.

I saw the tape of the man being dumped on the floor and I have seen many tapes of cops doing things that they shouldn't be doing. That's really not relevant.
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#383652 - 02/23/08 12:23 AM Re: Scary Stuff Bad Cops [Re: BrianS]
JM2007 Offline
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BrianS,

Respectfully, I think we just have to agree to disagree. However, I do have a couple of questions first.

1. I see that she was pushed against the wall. I don't see slammed. You might think I am playing semantics, but there is a HUGE difference, especially when you are talking about use of force in a court of law. At what point was she slammed against the wall?

2. Since I have dealt with very similar situations many times, and I have and will continue to handle it similarly, can you tell me how YOU would handle it? Would you have placed her in handcuffs? Would you have tried to make her sit down? When she refused to, then what would you do? Was physically controlling her the wrong thing to do when she was in no way compliant?

3. You want to know how likely it is someone in handcuffs falls flat on their face? It happens ALL THE TIME. That's why we make people sit down. When they don't, we try to force them to sit down.

4. This video was very obviously edited. By whom?

5. I have also seen videos of cops doing things they shouldn't do. I have seen many, many more videos of citizens doing things they shouldn't be doing. I have seen hundreds of videos of cops being attacked by citizens, many of them killed. Have you seen those, too? I didn't see any posts where you were appalled at the way those cops were treated.

As I stated before, cops who do bad things should be held criminally liable, but as a general rule, it should be assumed that cops are doing the right thing. You believe this woman was beaten up because you saw part of some video footage where she was not compliant, was handcuffed, and pushed against the wall...in order to get control of her. There are several parts missing, but yet you somehow automatically believe the cops were wrong and deleted the video. I'll say once again...if that were the case, don't you think they would have deleted the WHOLE video?

Last...of course she is going to say she was beat up. They always do.

I do understand why you might think the way you do (lack of knowledge...just stating an opinion and not meant to be derogatory), but I also think you should start to give the benefit of the doubt to the men and women who are putting their lives on the line for you every day.

No offense, but right now, your opinion is kind of like that of a back seat driver. If you want to really understand, go become a cop, get some personal experience encountering situations like this, and then watch videos such as this. Let's see if your opinion changes. Unless you have already done that, in which case I will simply defer to you.

Have you been in the driver's seat?

By the way....this isn't just to BrianS...this is to everyone who agrees with him.

Respectfully, Jason

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#383653 - 02/23/08 06:28 PM Re: Scary Stuff Bad Cops [Re: JM2007]
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There are bad LEOs out there and as Jason says, they ought to be prosecuted. For the most part, officers are trying to do a damn hard job and they do it well. Taking an incomplete video and forming a biased opinion on that video isn't fair to either the officer or the women. Unfortunately, for every video I see where an officer might be overstepping I see others where an officer is being attacked, shot at, or attempted to be run over, but I've never seen the public outcry on these.

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#383654 - 02/23/08 10:51 PM Re: Scary Stuff Bad Cops [Re: kyushoperson]
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Quote:

Heres another recent one

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4b3_1203380543

You guys dont seem bothered by these scum?

I hope youre not coppers

cause that'd make it seem like you condone this behaviour?

tc

H




of course cops are bothered when other cops act like idiots.. but like we say.. cops are human.. they are LE as a job.. so you expect all of them to be perfect?..no one is perfect.. doesn't matter what job they hold.. too bad the media rarely writes about stuff that is positive...i am tired of explaining this to people..it is what it is.. it's stupid to make more out of it

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#383655 - 02/28/08 03:16 PM Re: Scary Stuff Bad Cops [Re: JM2007]
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Jason,

That's alot of questions? I did say that it was merely speculation, yet you want to get bent out of shape because you don't agree with me.

I'm not going to bother going round and round on this pointless debate, I don't want to bother.

I stated what I saw and my opinions based on a video I saw, big woop. You are right on all accounts.

Quote:

No offense, but right now, your opinion is kind of like that of a back seat driver. If you want to really understand, go become a cop, get some personal experience encountering situations like this, and then watch videos such as this. Let's see if your opinion changes. Unless you have already done that, in which case I will simply defer to you.





I agree with you there. IT WAS A VIDEO and I was not there. Didn't I state that I was merely stating my opinion? Anyway....
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#383656 - 02/29/08 01:06 PM Re: Scary Stuff Bad Cops [Re: BrianS]
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BrianS,

The point that Jason was making is that your opinion was drawn on incomplete information and therefore might not be a valid or realistic conclusion.

I don't think Jason was "bent out of shape" concerning his reply.

It seems his reply was merely pointing out the
validity of your conclusion(s) that you were infering were somewhat askance due to the incomplete information that was supplied.

Further. this is the statement on your part:

"I'm not sure what happened here,but that woman was brutalized while in handcuffs"

First you say "I'm not sure here......." then you proceed with the statement, "this woman was brutalized..."

I think it was more the second part of your statement was what J took issue with.

When civilians make statements about these types of incidents, many times they are drawing conclusions that to them are academic in nature and they don't give it much thought.

BUT to people that are in the business of LEO work and put their reputations, their lives, and in some cases their families' lives on the line to perform a job, such a careless and irresposnible assesment of a halfa$$ed video taped incident is abhorrent (because THEN some civilian that knows nothing about the job invariable says something like, "I'm not sure what happened here,but that woman was brutalized while in handcuffs").

Not trying to flame you, just trying to show why such statements as the one you (and others make) made might be objectionable to others.

Kel
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#383657 - 02/29/08 03:12 PM Re: Scary Stuff Bad Cops [Re: hunterkell]
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Quote:

The point that Jason was making is that your opinion was drawn on incomplete information and therefore might not be a valid or realistic conclusion.

I don't think Jason was "bent out of shape" concerning his reply




opinion.

Quote:

It seems his reply was merely pointing out the
validity of your conclusion(s) that you were infering were somewhat askance due to the incomplete information that was supplied.





his opinion vs. my opinion

Quote:

Further. this is the statement on your part:

"I'm not sure what happened here,but that woman was brutalized while in handcuffs"

First you say "I'm not sure here......." then you proceed with the statement, "this woman was brutalized..."

I think it was more the second part of your statement was what J took issue with.





Fair enough. Let me rephrase my statement.

The woman looked like she had been brutalized.

Quote:

When civilians make statements about these types of incidents, many times they are drawing conclusions that to them are academic in nature and they don't give it much thought.





"Civilians" "they" Got it!

Quote:

BUT to people that are in the business of LEO work and put their reputations, their lives, and in some cases their families' lives on the line to perform a job, such a careless and irresposnible assesment of a halfa$$ed video taped incident is abhorrent (because THEN some civilian that knows nothing about the job invariable says something like, "I'm not sure what happened here,but that woman was brutalized while in handcuffs").





I'm sure it does. Careless and irresponsible...got it!

Thanks for not flaming my careless and irresponsible ass. I'll continue about my meager civilian life and try not to jump to conclusions about videos on the internet again.

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#383658 - 02/29/08 04:23 PM Re: Scary Stuff Bad Cops [Re: kyushoperson]
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Quote:

Hi

What do you think of these cops?

http://www.break.com/index/cop-dumps-handicapped-person-on-floor.html

http://view.break.com/451677

They disgust me, luckily they were filmed this time

tc

Helen




Authority, in genearl is scary. I will never understand why people want to invest their personal authority in someone else, and ask that person to take care of their dirty work.

I don't believe in authority. There are too many examples of this kind of behavior - dating for thousands of years back into history.
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#383659 - 03/01/08 05:51 PM Re: Scary Stuff Bad Cops [Re: janxspirit]
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The only thing scarier than authority is responsiblity. Responsiblity, both personal and for other is so scary many will not accept it. If you have the courage to accept responsibility people will embue you with authority.
The question then becomes can you be responsible when placed in authority.

The problem comes when the irresponsible place authority in the irresponsible.

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#383660 - 03/01/08 09:06 PM Re: Scary Stuff Bad Cops [Re: oldman]
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Right on the button, Mark. Couldn't have said it better myself.

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#383661 - 03/02/08 10:28 PM Re: Scary Stuff Bad Cops [Re: MattJ]
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BrianS,

It is sometimes difficult to get a "read" on exactly what someone is saying when only reading their words, instead of listening to them talk. What I mean is, sometimes words may be read more harshly, or someone may unintentionally come across as being sarcastic, or as putting someone down, etc. You can't voice inflections, see facial expressions or read body language. I am trying to be respectful when I am discussing this with you, so I sincerely hope you are not taking it any other way.

As you stated, these are both opinions that are going back and forth. I was not and am not "bent out of shape." My point was to let you know, and anyone else reading, that just because something is presented in a particular way does not mean it is so.

My comment about being a backseat driver was not intended to inflame, but just what I thought was a good analogy. Too many people in the United States think badly about cops because of videos like this that come out, without knowing all the facts, or without having any experience to base opinions on. I have personally been accused of using excessive force, of being a racist, and several other things...all of which were/are bunk.

Please don't be offended by my comments...just understand that they are based on personal experience.

Janxspirit:
The objective of placing responsible people in authority is to prevent anarchy. Some bad apples get in. Yes, authority has been misused often in the past, however, that is why we have a constitution, and even though we are certainly not perfect, I personally believe this is still the greatest country to have ever existed in the history of the world. Authority is much more than law enforcement...it's building roads, national defense, developing energy products, without it, well...the world would be a completely different place. And probably not one I would want to live in. The key, however, I believe, as Oldman inferred (I think) is placing responsible people in those positions of great trust. That way, you can live your lives in a generally safe and free environment.

Just my thoughts...Jason


Edited by JM2007 (03/02/08 10:31 PM)

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#383662 - 03/06/08 05:49 PM Re: Scary Stuff Bad Cops [Re: JM2007]
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BrianS,

You did not (in your initial post) suggest you were making an "opinion", you were making a statement of fact in your decleration.

However, I do support your right to post your opinion on this site, as I feel you should support my right to post an opinion that is opposite of yours.

You are correct inasmuch that I am not a civilian, I am a police officer that has dedicated his life to serving and protecting others (read: civilians), and when I read comments such as you posted (and initially posted as fact), I do speak (write) my opinion reference those posts <-that I deem as irresponsible/short-sighted.

Your snide comments re "meager civlian life..." show (again) that you suffer some type of bias (in my opinion). I feel that by making that statement you are trying to insuate that I feel I am better then you or above you...and that is simply not true.

I never spoke ill of civilians (read: non emergency personel/YOU did that)), I simply stated there is a difference in the way we view life (even as a Kennedy might view life differently as compared to someone who is in the middle class).

I have spent 14 years working in public service (with very different jobs) and I have never looked down on people who do not do what I do....

Say what you mean and say it straight out, don't resort to snide comments, it shows a weakness of character (and that is my opinion also).

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#383663 - 03/06/08 06:41 PM Re: Scary Stuff Bad Cops [Re: hunterkell]
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#383664 - 03/06/08 07:49 PM Re: Scary Stuff Bad Cops [Re: BrianS]
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HK,

If you wanted an honest assesment, you got one. I didn't read all this thread, but Brian's honesty to your request for it certainly made me laugh. And that's worth something.

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#383665 - 03/06/08 09:01 PM Re: Scary Stuff Bad Cops [Re: butterfly]
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You rock!!

I was alright until the "lack of character" thing. Anyone who knows me knows I'm a character,lol.
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#383666 - 03/07/08 12:22 PM Re: Scary Stuff Bad Cops [Re: kyushoperson]
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Good luck, kyushoperson. I tried to bring attention to rampant police misconduct on here a few weeks ago and got flayed alive for it.

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#383667 - 03/07/08 12:55 PM Re: Scary Stuff Bad Cops [Re: fileboy2002]
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Well we know it there and it was/is gettin tiresome seeing the bad cop vids..Be positive and show some good cop vids....
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#383668 - 03/07/08 01:31 PM Re: Scary Stuff Bad Cops [Re: JasonM]
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Well we know it there and it was/is gettin tiresome seeing the bad cop vids..Be positive and show some good cop vids....




yeah cuz we are tired of people saying, 'i know or have seen a corrupt cop' and your point would be what?.. are you implying that all cops are corrupt?.. why post it on here.. i don't get it.. why rub it in LEOs faces, that there are corrupt cops out there.. you don't think we know that?..

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#383669 - 03/07/08 05:55 PM Re: Scary Stuff Bad Cops [Re: karate_popo]
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There needs to be public outrage at ďbad copĒ behavior. Even if bad cops are the minority. This is a public forum and is one outlet the public has to vent. There is a frustration we feel toward those, we pay with our tax dollars, who abuse the authority we give them.

From the comments you read here, surely you can understand the frustration. The police receives positive PR in the news everyday. In fact, especially after 9/11, everyone who wears a uniform is a hero (according to the news media). The citizens know better, but thatís where the frustration stemís from.

Hopefully all the good cops out there will do everything they can to weed out the few bad ones. No excuses or minimizing (understating) the problem. We hold LEO to a higher standard and they should hold themselves to a higher standard as well. Karate popo, I would like to hear your outrage against those who are corrupt within your profession (not just an acknowledgement).

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#383670 - 03/07/08 10:05 PM Re: Scary Stuff Bad Cops [Re: everyone]
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it is an outrage.. like you said, we(well i'm not sworn, but still) are held at a higher standard then the avg person.. so the public thinks that since we are supposed to be upholding the law, that we should not break the law.. but cops are human.. and not everyone can be perfect.. that is just the way it is.. i do understand the publics outrage on this matter.. but i would also appreciate if the public would understand where the other officers are coming from.. the good ones.. why they are tired of hearing about things such as this.. i don't know.. i guess it's a never ending battle.. no matter what each party says.. there can be no end...
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#383671 - 03/10/08 03:31 PM Re: Scary Stuff Bad Cops [Re: everyone]
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#383672 - 03/10/08 06:43 PM Re: Scary Stuff Bad Cops [Re: karate_popo]
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so the public thinks that since we are supposed to be upholding the law, that we should not break the law..




ya think??

Quote:

but i would also appreciate if the public would understand where the other officers are coming from.. the good ones.. why they are tired of hearing about things such as this..




As long as it is happening at the rate it is, they are going to continue to hear about it. Would you rather it be kept hush-hush?

My instructor and two others I work out with are cops, darn good ones. They have much better stories than I do,lol.
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#383673 - 03/11/08 11:30 AM Re: Scary Stuff Bad Cops [Re: everyone]
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everyone

That is BS---find me a thread praiseing/thanking a good LEO site---then compare it to the threads attacking them.
For that matter point me to a postive post you personally have made about LEOS prior to today?

"Outrage" is fine---just as long as it balanced out in other respects.

Its just the army good news and postive messages don't "sell" so you almost never hear them.

Its pretty much ALL attacks and "bad cops" etc.

Bad LEOS should be punished harshly......but we should also recognize that the VAST MAJORITY of them are decent honorable people doing a vastly dangerous job for relativly little pay.


Edited by cxt (03/11/08 11:32 AM)
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#383674 - 03/11/08 12:24 PM Re: Scary Stuff Bad Cops [Re: cxt]
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CXT, good point. On public forums, average citizens can express their outrage about this problem. You wonít find a lot of praise for police on public forums.

Where you do find praise for the police is on the TV news. There are always stories on police getting awards and honors (at least in this market). Whenever there is a disaster and the police do their job, they get the praise of the media. There are occasional accusations on the news against the police, then they say there is an investigation, the officers are put on paid leave, then the story goes away.

Good police officers are the ones who are doing their job. There is no need to write about them. If they go above and beyond what is expected of them, then yes please give them the praise they deserve.

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#383675 - 03/11/08 12:53 PM Re: Scary Stuff Bad Cops [Re: everyone]
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Everyone

Not sure that is true either----I don't recall the last time a postive news story about the police or military etc ran on network news......and on the local stuff--does anybody listen or do they just ignore it?

In any case, I asked a specfic question---the positve stories are few and far between--then negative stuff is everywhere.

"There is no need to write about them"

Ok, so what your saying is that in YOUR job, its simply expected that you do it well--and unless you go "above and beyond" you not entiled to any praise.......no praise, just negative comments?
Pretty sure that you would not care for that treatment.

Or better still, in your dating realtionships---you dont think its imporant to offer some praise with the critisim of your significant other????
That your significant other gets either critism or if she goes "above and beyond" MAYBE she gets a little praise?
Pretty sure that YOU PERSONALLY would not like either.
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#383676 - 03/11/08 02:08 PM Re: Scary Stuff Bad Cops [Re: cxt]
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I would not expect public praise for doing a good job at work. I do appreciate when my boss say, "good job". When I do a bad job I don't expect public ridicule either. However, if I were to do something illegal or very immoral, then it's fair game for news and public forums.

I do complement my wife for being who she is and doing what she does. I do not post those details on the internet however.

The difference is public vs. private praise. There is a time and place for both.

For all those good, hard working cops out there... GOOD JOB!!

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#383677 - 03/11/08 03:14 PM Re: Scary Stuff Bad Cops [Re: fileboy2002]
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Oh my God! A man who sees it my way. I am sexually aroused.


wait what man?.. cuz i'm female...
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#383678 - 03/12/08 02:14 PM Re: Scary Stuff Bad Cops [Re: karate_popo]
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LOL, wtf happened to this thread?
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#383679 - 03/12/08 06:27 PM Re: Scary Stuff Bad Cops [Re: Leo_E_49]
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LOL, wtf happened to this thread?




just a little battle of views betw LEOs and civilians...;)
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#383680 - 03/18/08 06:47 PM Re: Scary Stuff Bad Cops [Re: karate_popo]
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Quote:

LOL, wtf happened to this thread?




just a little battle of views betw LEOs and civilians...;)




LEO's are supposed to be the good guys, they are supposed to be on our side. If it doesn't feel like that then something is wrong and needs to be fixed.
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#383681 - 03/18/08 06:51 PM Re: Scary Stuff Bad Cops [Re: BrianS]
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yea we know.. but you can't fix all the bad cops out there.. best thing to do is catch the bad ones, try to hire the good ones and just keep doing that...
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#383682 - 03/19/08 12:36 AM Good cop [Re: karate_popo]
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#383683 - 03/19/08 08:20 AM Re: Good cop [Re: BrianS]
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"The good-cop bad-cop routine is working perfectly Ponton!"

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