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#383566 - 02/18/08 04:27 PM Unintentional contact with another person
tkd_high_green Offline
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I am still snickering about this weekend. On Saturday, I participated in another tournament. For once we had someone new in our division, which was fantastic. There were four people in my division. I thoroughly lucked out and managed to snag one of the visiting senior instructors as my coach. What a difference have a good coach makes! I fought first, against another woman from my school, and thoroughly trounced her (by a good 20 points). About 15 seconds from the end of the match, I happened to look up and see how far in the lead I was. I almost got my head knocked off because I just stood there, shocked. Me! in the lead?!

Then waited for the next match to complete. In the process, suffered an athsma attack. Fortunately I had my inhailer with me, so I was able to compete against the winner of the second match, which happened to be the new girl. She had just trounced the woman who usually trounces me at every other tournaments.

The match was going well, considering that I could barely breath. My opponent, yet another tall woman (what do they fed them at that school!), clobbered me profusely. I was too tired to move out of the way, so I ended up just absorbing/blocking most of her kicks to block/counter. I managed to stay inside on a number of her techniques. But I remember thinking...

"Gasp...stupid long legged wench...gasp...back off!...gasp...ooof!...get that bleeping...gasp...leg...gasp...out of my way!

My coach was awesome, yelling out combinations when I couldn't think, and pushing me further than I thought I could go without being able to breath. You can go four minutes without oxygen right? I think I just proved it.

Well, part way though the match, I'm not sure exactly what happend, if I blocked her kick with a punch or what, but I ended up with a very jammed wrist. I think the medic was psycic or something, because he shows up with his duffel to watch my match not 20 seconds before I get hurt.

I took my minute to ensure that my wrist was reasonably ok, and continued fighting, but from then on, I couldn't block as well, and she pulled ahead and won. Four seconds from the end of the match, I knew it was all over, and pretty much just ended it there, but she squeeked in that last kick, that I didn't even have the energy to block.

After the tournament, we all went out for dinner, and my instructor happened to catch me hissing when I went to pick up my soda. He ordered me off to the hospital to get it checked out. Fortunately not broken, but nicely sprained.

Of course, the fun part came when trying to explain how it happened, at which point the triage nurse had to find an appropriate listing in their computer... The closest they could find

"Unintentional contact with another person"

I guess that works.. I didn't "intend" for my fist to contact her shin like that!

Laura

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#383567 - 02/18/08 05:06 PM Re: Unintentional contact with another person [Re: tkd_high_green]
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'Unintentional contact'...thankfully...not a lot of that happens with us. Although, on occasion, it does...and provides for some awkward moments. LOL!

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#383568 - 02/19/08 09:53 AM Re: Unintentional contact with another person [Re: harlan]
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Good job getting out there and getting it done no matter if you win or lose. Very interesting story...thanks for sharing !
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#383569 - 02/19/08 05:21 PM Re: Unintentional contact with another person [Re: tkd_high_green]
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Larua, I thought blocking a kick was definitely intentional contact with another person.

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#383570 - 02/19/08 08:27 PM Re: Unintentional contact with another person [Re: Supremor]
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So you would think. I guess the reasoning was that I didn't intend to block her kick with a punch...

The sad part is, I had to take my mom up to the hospital because she was experiencing some numbness because she was having an allergic reaction to an antibiotic that she's on, and they started asking her all sorts of questions about "Is everything ok at home?" etc!

Laura

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#383571 - 02/22/08 10:44 AM Re: Unintentional contact with another person [Re: tkd_high_green]
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Sabumnim Laura,

Have you thought about using some tiger balm for the injury? Obviously, rest, heat/cold will be useful, but a good tiger rub down can do wonders for pain.

You can get a bottle from Karate Depot or a local chinese store sells them. Have a friend put a dab on your injury and in the middle of their hands, have them slap their their hands together and rub to create heat (a la Miyagi; it works!). Then they put their hands on the injured area and massage it in (not to rough).

Good luck.

Osu.

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#383572 - 02/24/08 04:34 PM Re: Unintentional contact with another person [Re: SNieves]
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Laura,
tiger balm sounds good for the sprain, but something you say about "unintentional contact" is a bit off base.

In tournament, most rules preclude you from hitting someone maliciously... but blocking is a "defensive hit"... and you should be blocking so hard that no one wants to offer up a kick or punch to be blocked. "Back in the day", we were taught exactly what you're opining about here... punch a kick, kick a punch... that was the blocking theory... if we didn't leave a bruise, it wasn't properly blocked.

It's good to have a good coach with you, but you need to have the right mindset when you go into a tournament... the attitude that "these people really don't want to fight with me"... and keep that mindset... "because they don't want what I've got for them".

Fight to win, not to place... and don't think that just because somebody beat you once or twice that "they can beat me"...

For tournament competition, grow a mean streak... and don't let up on it...

The sprain will heal, and if you think about what happened in this competition, you'll have an edge on the next one... think of it as "untentionally light" contact...

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#383573 - 02/24/08 05:58 PM Re: Unintentional contact with another person [Re: wristtwister]
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Dit ta jow is your friend for sprains and bruising.... you can get it from the herbalist in Chinatown. Tiger balm is more for muscular soreness.

Perhaps the hospital should have a new category - "Martial Arts/Sporting related injury".

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#383574 - 02/24/08 09:23 PM Re: Unintentional contact with another person [Re: eyrie]
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certainly the adventure of taking a train into a chinatown perhaps getting lost then eventually finding a place of unknown quality and paying over $5 USD per ounce...all of that is much more fun than pulling up to any convienence store and picking up some bengay for one third the price of an exoticly named bottle of magic that has the same active ingredients.

...except with a bengay or off the shelf eqivalent, it has the added benefit of being designed to not come off as easy with sweating.

but yeah, it's much more of an adventure going to a herbalist in Chinatown than a main street CVS.

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#383575 - 02/24/08 10:34 PM Re: Unintentional contact with another person [Re: Ed_Morris]
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Whatever Ed... different jows are made from different recipes... as is surprise, surprise... Bengay... (or Bengué if you're French).

The active ingredient in Bengay is methyl salicylate - an analgesic derived from oil of wintergreen - which is now synthetically produced. Methyl salicylate is highly toxic and can be lethal if overused. Bengay contains between 10-30% methyl salicylate, depending on "strength". In most jows, oil of wintergreen is less than 1.8% by dry weight/vol.

Herbal apothecary formulations are designed to work "in harmony" with all other ingredients - unlike modern "drugs", which assume that symptomatic relief is somehow the result of an "active" (magical?!) ingredient.

Perhaps it should be noted, for the ignorant and the uninformed, that a lot of "modern" medicines are derived from studies of traditional herbal remedies.

Of course, if you rather pay the big multinational drug companies big money for overpriced synthetic versions of natural remedies that have been around for thousands of years... be my guest.

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#383576 - 02/25/08 12:03 AM Re: Unintentional contact with another person [Re: eyrie]
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that was my point. it cost $20usd for a 4oz bottle with Chinese letters and a dragon on it, and one third that cost for a 4oz tube that actually lists it's ingredients in English. I bet if I switched the contents of the two, you'd still say the one with the dragon works better...so I have no need to start an argument with you.


by the way, pharmacedical comes from a greek word meaning 'magic substance'.


Quote:

Of course, if you rather pay the big multinational drug companies big money for overpriced synthetic versions of natural remedies that have been around for thousands of years



herbal medicine isn't a big multinational drug industry? The figures in the US alone are in the billions anually, since the 'new age' campaign duping people into thinking things are natural just because they have a tree instead of a company logo on the bottle.

it's quite provable that active ingredients in 'natural' herbal medicine are much more expensive than common products with the same or equivalent active ingredients. so why suggest going to Chinatown to buy a 3x more expensive product for the same stuff?


some light reading:
http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/books/science/article3418051.ece

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#383577 - 02/25/08 12:58 AM Re: Unintentional contact with another person [Re: Ed_Morris]
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Most jows will have a list of ingredients labelled on the bottle with both the scientific Latin name and English equivalent. But I bet that even if the ingredients were listed on the bottle with the dragon, you'd still have a problem with it.

Most pharmaceuticals (spellcheck, my friend, spellcheck) that are imported into your country would have to pass stringent FDA approvals, including having a list of identifiable ingredients. The Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) here has the same function, and all consumer pharmaceutical products go thru equally stringent approvals processes.

Funny though, how some big drug companies can seem to "fastrack" clinical trials and FDA approvals before their products are found defective and with serious side-effects....

BTW, I love how you ALWAYS twist things to suit your argument... sure pharmakos means "magic substance" - and if you bothered to go beyond Wikipedia, you'd note, that means, a (usu. plant/animal/mineral) substance used as a poison, antidote, or hallucinogen (i.e. drug!) - hence "magick substance". Most "medicinal" substances are (surprise, surprise!) toxins, poisons and hallucinogens.

If Greek civilization be the bedrock on which Western civilization is founded, then you'd be happy to note that "Western" civilization has a long history of the use of such magical substances for various ritual, religious and healing purposes, dating back to the Babylonians, ancient Egyptians, Indians, Chinese, Grecians, Persians and the rest of the Islamic world, to Medieval Europe, through trade and conquest.

Perhaps you should delve further into the origins of clinical pharmacology (from Greek - the science of drugs and medicines) starting with Avicenna's The Canon of Medicine from the Middle Ages and constrast that with both Eastern and Western herbalism and how animal, plant and mineral extracts have been used as "medicinals" for the last few millenia.

Or perhaps you have vested stock options in a certain drug company and their little "magic" blue pill?

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#383578 - 02/25/08 01:32 AM Re: Unintentional contact with another person [Re: eyrie]
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lol...good one.

your info about 'magic substances' was my same meaning. drugs used to be thought of as magic in cultures around the world. no surprize there.

and yes, even most TCM concoctions have to pass thru a local government's approvals process, being deemed to cause no harm, is not the same as saying they work much better or worse than off-the-shelf common products.
despite people's image of 'folk medicine' being stired over a fire and crafted by a little master of ancient herbology in his staw hut on a mountainside, those concoctions are actually being mass-produced in a Chinese factory in much the same way as a billion-dollar American or European pharmaceutical does (except China doesn't have all those pesky human rights and labor laws). Then, since it's 'exotic', 'new age' and 'all-natural' the mark-up is several times more than a tube of 'atomic balm', 'icy heat' or other similar brands at a common store.

it's similar to the 'organic food' hoopla.


btw, it's getting a bit old to say TCM is thousands of years old. it's not. TCM in the form we see it today was developed in the 1950's. Much of classical Chinese medicine (CCM) would never make it thru the approvals processes you referred to.

out of all the practices CCM did have (CCM has been outlawed, along with bloodletting), the one that made it thru are the 'feel good' and 'does no harm' stuff. if TCM can only equal western med. within the realm of topical mild pain management, but at several times the cost, then I fail to see where the argument is.


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#383579 - 02/25/08 01:42 AM Re: Unintentional contact with another person [Re: Ed_Morris]
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Did I mention TCM? You seem to have a real bee in your bonnet about those dumb ol Asians and anything that came out from that part of the world don't you?

Perhaps you should look up "therapeutic index".... and perhaps... just maybe a lot of "modern western" medicines might not pass FDA approval without the huge kickbacks... who cares if a side-effect of such "modern western" medicine is suicidal tendencies, mental abberations, psychotic episodes and death... right?

But of course it's OK for the big multinational (read US) drug companies to make money right... God forbid anyone else (particularly China) trying to do the same...

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#383580 - 02/25/08 02:10 AM Re: Unintentional contact with another person [Re: eyrie]
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well, ok, if you want to argue on that level, then we should bring back the traveling elixir salesmen of the old west. "longevity in a single bottle" ...cool, gimme a case of that stuff, I wanna live 12 lifetimes.

I know what you are saying, and believe me, I'm not for the ugly and evil that goes on when businesses turn big. so do you buy from the big TCM industry from the East that can't and don't prove why or how their stuff works...or do you buy western products that your doctor knows exactly what it is and can determine with reasonable certainty it's interactions with some other thing/treatments you may be undergoing? most of the time anyway, but since new drugs come out all the time, there is a definite element of being the guinea pig when they diagnose and push the new ones.

but they definitely aren't going to know what the interactions of your western treatment for diabeties and a rhino horn pill from a Chinese head shop to align your energy will be, for example. If you are being treated by western medicine for something, it's silly and dangerous to take TCM drugs without your Doc knowing what it is beforehand.



and your comment earlier, yes excessive use of any active ingredient can be fatal. here it is: http://www.theage.com.au/news/World/Spor...1414111711.html


here are some TCM ointments that use the same active ingredient that the 17 year old OD'd on:

Eagle Brand Medicated Oil
Tiger Balm. White or Red
Woodlock Medicated Balm
http://www.earlyspring.com.au/other_products.htm

so it could have just as easily been an overdose of Tiger balm.

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#383581 - 02/25/08 02:41 AM Re: Unintentional contact with another person [Re: Ed_Morris]
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FYI, the "TCM" industry you refer to, are actually US companies riding the "new-age" herbalism boom... so are you saying Viagra is better/more effective than horny goat weed???

I bet they weren't the same % strength though.... so what does that prove?

You can OD on virtually anything... so what does that prove?


Edited by eyrie (02/25/08 03:03 AM)

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#383582 - 02/25/08 07:39 AM Re: Unintentional contact with another person [Re: eyrie]
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Eagle Brand Medicated Oil. Tiger Balm, and Woodlock Medicated Balm - all are manufactured in Asia, not the US. They are marketed in with 'TCM' products. The websites I gave which are selling them appear to be Australian, not US.

are you saying there is a distinction between real TCM and fake TCM? Dit ta jow being the real TCM but tiger balm is fake TCM. got it. good thing there aren't 'real' and 'fake' hospitals when we are rushed to the emergency room, eh?

There is no set recipie for "Dit ta jow" that I could find. virtually anything from vaseline+chile peppers to Alcohol+wintergreen oil+st johns wort+club moss.

So, manufactured ointment with consistant recipie is fake TCM and adhoc family recipies that are inconsistant from chinatown to chinatown is the real TCM. got it. that way, if someone goes to their chinatown and are unhappy with results, you can just say it might not have been a real shop. Since things aren't nailed down, the belief can survive by ignoring the misses and holding on to the hits.

have fun buying kitchen brewed mystery oil. The Chinese guy selling it will probaly even apply it for you, Mr. Miyagi-style to increase your believability. Then again, just the sight and smell of a real Chinese TCM head-trip shop will kick off the belief switches. by the end of the visit, you'll be convinced that eating dryed deer penis for your headaches is much better than asperin.

plus the trouble it took to even get there, find a parking space and locate the shop will have to guarentee it's success. Thats why I first said, a trip to Chinatown is a fun adventurous substitute for just going to any corner store and getting a tube of IcyHeat for 1/3 the cost.

If anybody has not visited a Chinese herbalist/TCM shop in Chinatown, it really is fun. and remember, if you aren't willing to try deer penis, then your chi is all blocked up.


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#383583 - 02/25/08 07:56 AM Re: Unintentional contact with another person [Re: Ed_Morris]
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Just to add to the derail...there are pros and cons to supporting alternative medicines...one should realize that the little jar of 'dit ta jow' might be the most innocuous 'medicine' sold in some 'mom and pop' homeopathic storefronts. For example...bear parts...supplied by poachers right here in the USA.

Intelligent and ethical choices of where to spend one's money aren't always that clear.

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#383584 - 02/25/08 10:59 AM Re: Unintentional contact with another person [Re: harlan]
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Feeling a little guilty about contributing to the last derail. But...back on topic.

'Unintentional contact'. Seems like the hospital had a difficult time classifying it...probably for insurance purposes. I mean...if it was intentional...they might have to report it. But in the dojo, seems like there might be different types of 'unintentional contact'? Injuries being one category, personal space being another.

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#383585 - 02/25/08 11:50 AM Re: Unintentional contact with another person [Re: harlan]
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Yeah, I thought it was pretty funny that they didn't have a "sports injury" category.

The reaction from my college students (computer programming) was pretty funny too.

Them: "What happened to your wrist?"

Me: "I had a difference of opinion with this long legged wench from South Burlington"

Them: Horrified stares!

When I finally explained what had happened, One of my students goes. "You know all those movies with unruly students...well I was afraid this was the reverse and that we had an unruly teacher"

Another student pipes in "I'm sorry ma'am, my homework is five minutes late! please don't hit me!"

As for the wrist, it is doing much better. I'm now out of the splint, although certain motions are still a tad bit uncomfortable.

Laura

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#383586 - 02/25/08 11:53 AM Re: Unintentional contact with another person [Re: tkd_high_green]
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Glad to hear it. So far, I've only had one injury. Teacher was simply showing me a technique, a little pressure...and *twang/rip*...there went the shoulder. It was unintentional...I dread to think what the technique would do if applied full force.

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#383587 - 02/25/08 04:12 PM Re: Unintentional contact with another person [Re: harlan]
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I know what you mean!

Injuries suck. Granted, I'm getting much stronger stomach muscles since I can't do pushups and have to do situps or crunches instead.

The only thing that really bothers me is that I probably won't be a good idea to spar in the next tournament (on the 8'th) but it's only stop point, so I'm not too upset. I just need to figure out what I am going to do for board breaking. At past tournaments, I've done multi board palm heel / reverse elbow strikes, but I think that's probably out too...

Laura

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#383588 - 02/25/08 06:04 PM Re: Unintentional contact with another person [Re: Ed_Morris]
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Quote:

Eagle Brand Medicated Oil. Tiger Balm, and Woodlock Medicated Balm - all are manufactured in Asia,


I was referring generally to the TCM/herbal remedies boom and not these products specifically? So what if they were made in "Asia"? They're still imported and distributed by US retail establishments... so unless you have some sort of anti-Asian sentiment, I don't see your point.

BTW, Tiger Balm has been around for a lot longer than I have... brought to Singapore by the famous HawPar brothers. I'm not saying anything's real or fake. You are....

Would it make you feel better if I had said Arnica or Comfrey ointment - both long established "western" herbal concoctions?

As always, buyer beware...

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#383589 - 02/25/08 09:07 PM Re: Unintentional contact with another person [Re: eyrie]
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Personally, I recommend an internal alcohol rub...

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#383590 - 02/25/08 09:50 PM Re: Unintentional contact with another person [Re: wristtwister]
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Uh huh... some homemade jows are made from vodka, gin or whiskey... personally, I wouldn't recommend drinking the jow... but sure... drink the vodka while you're making the jow... that's what u do isn't it?

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#383591 - 02/25/08 11:09 PM Re: Unintentional contact with another person [Re: tkd_high_green]
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Eyrie, I find your anti-Asian suggested charge offensive. you know damn well why. I'm done with the side-tracked conversation. seek out the witch doctors and feel good.

btw Laura, sorry to start the derail earlier.

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#383592 - 02/25/08 11:16 PM Re: Unintentional contact with another person [Re: Ed_Morris]
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Relax Ed... I didn't say you were racist

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#383593 - 02/25/08 11:36 PM Re: Unintentional contact with another person [Re: eyrie]
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Quote:

You seem to have a real bee in your bonnet about those dumb ol Asians and anything that came out from that part of the world don't you?




Quote:

I was referring generally to the TCM/herbal remedies boom and not these products specifically? So what if they were made in "Asia"? They're still imported and distributed by US retail establishments... so unless you have some sort of anti-Asian sentiment, I don't see your point.




ignoring the inserted innuendo of Asia-bashing and viagra-worship, you really make crappy arguments sometimes.


first you said:
Quote:

FYI, the "TCM" industry you refer to, are actually US companies riding the "new-age" herbalism boom... so are you saying Viagra is better/more effective than horny goat weed???




and after I corrected you and pointed out that actually, most of the TCM industry products are manufactured in Asia - only meaning Singapore, China, India, Japan, etc and that is fact. so what do you do, you turn over a race card on me when you know full well my family's ethnicity? do you always aim so low in making points by trying to lower the target?

but now you've retracted that into US companies being just the 'distributor'. I see.

see ya eyrie.

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#383594 - 02/26/08 04:19 AM Re: Unintentional contact with another person [Re: Ed_Morris]
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Whether you are part of the manufacturing, distribution, supply or retail, you are part of the entire supply chain and therefore part of the whole industry.... and since you didn't specifically say which sector of industry, one can safely assume that the intended meaning was the entire industry encompassing all tiers of the supply chain.

Manufacturing wouldn't be sustainable without distribution or retail or consumers... as long as someone is buying, someone will produce it... basic supply/demand economics.

Is that better?

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#383595 - 02/29/08 08:58 AM Re: Unintentional contact with another person [Re: eyrie]
SNieves Offline
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Registered: 12/13/07
Posts: 76
Wow! I didn't think my mention of using tiger balm would cause such the stir.

Let me chime in, yes? Thanks.

Eyrie-You were indeed off base in some of your 'shots'. You could've taken out many of your "Asian" bashing statements and assumptions and your arguements might have held more water, if a bit leaky.

Eryie/Ed-I am with you that many medications in the US use synthetic materials that are indeed harmful to the body. I like Dragon & Tiger Balm and they work for me. This past Wed I sparred one of the lower ranks and used a leg lift block to stop his leg checks. At the time I felt no pain. After sparring ended and my adrenaline stopped pumping, I felt A LOT of pain. I could barely walk on the leg. Ice on the leg, then a hot shower with a dragon balm rub after and a heating pad and my leg was useable again for Thursday night's practice. I have proven to myself dragon and tiger balm works so I continue to use it.

And yes, it wasn't just the balm. The ice and heat and deep massaging with the balm helped.

At $3.95/bottle, I consider it a bargain for the relief it brings me.

Osu.


Edited by SNieves (02/29/08 09:00 AM)

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#383596 - 02/29/08 11:58 PM Re: Unintentional contact with another person [Re: tkd_high_green]
Ronin1966 Offline
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Registered: 04/26/02
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We were in a large state sponsored tournament (open tournament) with a pretty big group for us a lot of years ago.

One of our guys was an automobile mechnic by trade 6'2" of rippled solid muscle. For fun he lifted grown men and women off the floor with his left hand and held them suspended... for a time before class. Spooky strong. Eventually he was sparring. He hit his charging opponent like a battering ram with a textbook combination punch and literally stopped all forward momentum by the opponent (the opponent had no understanding of balance, but lots of idiot bravado and was as nasty as he was large). The guy ate two text book strikes.

The referee, gave our mechanic no points and was eventually disqualified... "for boxing" in a karate tournament!



I kid you not...
Jeff

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#383597 - 03/03/08 10:51 AM Re: Unintentional contact with another person [Re: Ronin1966]
harlan Offline
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Registered: 07/31/04
Posts: 6664
Loc: Amherst, MA
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Hey Laura...think I ran into a clip of the event. Was this the match where you were having an asthma attack?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yh6tXXrwuI

My kid had bad asthma and took TKD...and sparring was something we had to watch carefully.

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#383598 - 03/03/08 11:22 AM Re: Unintentional contact with another person [Re: harlan]
tkd_high_green Offline
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Registered: 05/16/05
Posts: 1031
Loc: Vermont
Ran into it? Ha, I bet you were hunting for it!

Yeah that would be me. It's a real challenge. I've never really had that much of a problem breathing in a match before, winded sure, but never where I've been wheezing 30 seconds into the match. Granted, I knew better, should have stopped when I had problems between matches, but the opportunity to fight someone new, was just too enticing.

At least I know I can fight for 4 minutes without breathing. And she, at least, was gasping as much as I was afterwards too.

Laura

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#383599 - 03/19/08 10:44 AM Re: Unintentional contact with another person [Re: Ronin1966]
janxspirit Offline
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Registered: 02/21/08
Posts: 132
Quote:

We were in a large state sponsored tournament (open tournament) with a pretty big group for us a lot of years ago.

One of our guys was an automobile mechnic by trade 6'2" of rippled solid muscle. For fun he lifted grown men and women off the floor with his left hand and held them suspended... for a time before class. Spooky strong. Eventually he was sparring. He hit his charging opponent like a battering ram with a textbook combination punch and literally stopped all forward momentum by the opponent (the opponent had no understanding of balance, but lots of idiot bravado and was as nasty as he was large). The guy ate two text book strikes.

The referee, gave our mechanic no points and was eventually disqualified... "for boxing" in a karate tournament!



I kid you not...
Jeff




I'm surprised he wasn't disqualified for hitting someone with textbooks.

Or is that allowed in Karate sparring?
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#383600 - 03/19/08 03:26 PM Re: Unintentional contact with another person [Re: janxspirit]
jude33 Offline
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Registered: 03/14/07
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Quote:



I'm surprised he wasn't disqualified for hitting someone with textbooks.

Or is that allowed in Karate sparring?




http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doci...h&plindex=4

Few text book techniques in here you can see?

There are some things allowed in this form of karate sparring that might have an interest to some- one who claims
knowledge of karate sparring or doesnt approve of kata perhaps?

Jude

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