I might have to agree with John; especially since I'm a Pros vs. Joes fan. I'm a Joe for sure and in my best days I had some phenomenal game days in wresling, football and soccer but nothing like a Pro. I think with adequate training I could hold my own against quite a few guys but I'd never rise to the top. I would get to see a lot of canvas whether it is from my back or face down in my own spit and blood. Nope, it would be fun but not for me. They say the training is the hardest part and I believe that 100% and I know I don't have the ability to train like many of them and that high of a calibre. I weight lift and do martial arts religiously and have for over 10 years however I'm not the cream of the crop.

Hey Cord

I am keeping it light hearted I promise you. The experience level which you note is similar to some of the Joe's on the show and they get trashed. It's as simple as that.

A story from many years ago;

I fenced internationally for 13 years repesenting both England and GB. I was at a tournament in Huddersfield and fencing in an early round. The top fencers generally use the early rounds as a warm up for the more serious fencing later.

I fenced a guy who was a county level fencer. I beat him 5-1 with very little effort. After our fight, he took me aside and explained how he thought I was a bit lucky in our fight. I said, "What do you mean, the result was fairly clear."

He then gave me a lengthy explanation of how at the beginning of the fight he hadn't warmed up properly and that had given me the first couple of hits, that he then got an off target hit which had only just missed, he then got his hit and if he'd been lucky that I might have been a bit nervous and he could have exploited that.

According to a good freind of mine, I exploded at the top of my voice so all 300+ fencers at the event could hear, "F**k me Ray, you don't even KNOW how good I am!!!"

(I was such an angry young man in those days!)

Sorry Cord, you're a JOE!!!


By the way, I reckon that I could trash Liddell

I didn't mean to ruin the fun by looking at the situation realistically.

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p.s. I think kimo needs therapy.

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Please do expound,,,,

LOL Ok some people are getting fiesty in here lol. oK I'll join... Well, i'll take on all the fighters. lol But seriously i'm sure we all agree here that there was one guy in the last tuff series that many of us here can more than likely beat, i forgot his name but he was obvoiusly not a fighter. I dont know how he got in there. I think he actually became the vegans best buddy after a while. And from UFC guys well i like to fight good fighters so it would be interesting to fight st pierre and or the spider enderson silvia but thats just a thought lol