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#381646 - 02/05/08 09:38 AM Re: Armchair fighters rule!!! Who can you beat? [Re: JohnL]
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I might have to agree with John; especially since I'm a Pros vs. Joes fan. I'm a Joe for sure and in my best days I had some phenomenal game days in wresling, football and soccer but nothing like a Pro. I think with adequate training I could hold my own against quite a few guys but I'd never rise to the top. I would get to see a lot of canvas whether it is from my back or face down in my own spit and blood. Nope, it would be fun but not for me. They say the training is the hardest part and I believe that 100% and I know I don't have the ability to train like many of them and that high of a calibre. I weight lift and do martial arts religiously and have for over 10 years however I'm not the cream of the crop.
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#381647 - 02/05/08 10:06 AM Re: Armchair fighters rule!!! Who can you beat? [Re: JohnL]
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with the retired Pro's taking it easy, it's apparent that the average guy has nowhere near the ability of a Pro and even less understanding of what the Pro's can actually do.




I agree totaly, but keep in mind that leben is the only guy to lose TWICE in the same series where he was trying to become a pro fighter. He got his shot because of the hystrionics he pulled on that show, not his fighting ability. That makes him a 'Joe' as well IMO.

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I'm sorry fella's but you Joe's are what you are. Joe's, who will never even understand what it takes to compete at the highest levels.




Now now, lets not make an ASSumptions. I have trained, and trained with many high level athletes (national/international) from various disciplines, and have never felt completely out of my depth, and if I do say so myself, i feel that being shortlisted for my National under 21's rugby squad, before a heartbreaking (and nearly neck breaking) injury put a stop to fullfilling my potential, means that I might qualify as an 'above average' Joe.

Besides, this is a fun thread, its not supposed to be taken seriously.

Go Go Armchair Warriors!!

Superpotatoechipazord- Energize!!!!!
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#381648 - 02/05/08 10:44 AM Re: Armchair fighters rule!!! Who can you beat? [Re: Cord]
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Hey Cord

I am keeping it light hearted I promise you. The experience level which you note is similar to some of the Joe's on the show and they get trashed. It's as simple as that.

A story from many years ago;

I fenced internationally for 13 years repesenting both England and GB. I was at a tournament in Huddersfield and fencing in an early round. The top fencers generally use the early rounds as a warm up for the more serious fencing later.

I fenced a guy who was a county level fencer. I beat him 5-1 with very little effort. After our fight, he took me aside and explained how he thought I was a bit lucky in our fight. I said, "What do you mean, the result was fairly clear."

He then gave me a lengthy explanation of how at the beginning of the fight he hadn't warmed up properly and that had given me the first couple of hits, that he then got an off target hit which had only just missed, he then got his hit and if he'd been lucky that I might have been a bit nervous and he could have exploited that.

According to a good freind of mine, I exploded at the top of my voice so all 300+ fencers at the event could hear, "F**k me Ray, you don't even KNOW how good I am!!!"

(I was such an angry young man in those days!)

Sorry Cord, you're a JOE!!!


By the way, I reckon that I could trash Liddell
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#381649 - 02/05/08 11:53 AM Re: Armchair fighters rule!!! Who can you beat? [Re: JohnL]
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Sorry Cord, you're a JOE!!!





I didnt disagree, my choice of Leben is based on the fact that so is he.
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#381650 - 02/05/08 12:58 PM Re: Armchair fighters rule!!! Who could you beat? [Re: BrianS]
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For everyone else. "It's what you've done." Yes,but being a single father with a fulltime job + overtime and lots of other responsibilities I doub I could compete. Given the opportunit to train full time I would be a good competetitor.





The problem is that without at least some kind of evidence to go on its entirely theoretical. Anyone at all could open their mouth and say "I could do this" or "I could do that" if only they had the time to train but its kind of empty, isn't it?

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#381651 - 02/05/08 01:26 PM Re: Armchair fighters rule!!! Who could you beat? [Re: chingei]
Cord Offline
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The problem is that without at least some kind of evidence to go on its entirely theoretical. Anyone at all could open their mouth and say "I could do this" or "I could do that" if only they had the time to train but its kind of empty, isn't it?




Oi!! THIS IS FOR FUN!!! ITS NOT A SERIOUS THREAD!!!!

Look, this is where Brian is coming from- we all (who watch MMA at least) sit in judgement of the fights we see. We, as spectators, all size up the competitors performances, we have opinions regarding their strengths and weaknesses as we see them.
Now what Brian has done is come up with thread FOR FUN , that allows you to apply that critical skill to yourselves, and having analysed your own fighting strengths and weaknesses, come up with an MMA star who you feel would be an oponent that would best play into your hands.
If you think its lame, then dont post. if you think that it might be a fun exercise, or a light hearted way of exploring your self critique, then lets hear ya

Again, I chose Leben, because he makes hard work of journeyman oposition, lacks mental focus, has a very open guard, cant punch worth a sh1t, and is about 40 lbs lighter than me.
From this you can see how much I respect UFC ahletes in general, because any with genuine professional level skill would take me out nice and quick.
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#381652 - 02/05/08 02:01 PM Re: Armchair fighters rule!!! Who could you beat? [Re: Cord]
chingei Offline
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I didn't mean to ruin the fun by looking at the situation realistically.

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#381653 - 02/05/08 03:16 PM Re: Armchair fighters rule!!! Who could you beat? [Re: chingei]
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I didn't mean to ruin the fun by looking at the situation realistically.




You are, go ahead and join EFRAIN.

Cord,

I'm glad you get it!!

Realistically, Sylvia would pound my head into the next millenium. Realistically, I am a JOE. So what?

Now, back to my fun thread.

Matt Serra sucks. He got lucky shot even to fight GSP, he's nowhere near on his level. With time and training, I could kick MS's a$$!!

p.s. I think kimo needs therapy.
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#381654 - 02/05/08 03:21 PM Re: Armchair fighters rule!!! Who could you beat? [Re: BrianS]
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p.s. I think kimo needs therapy.






Please do expound,,,,
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#381655 - 02/05/08 03:58 PM Re: Armchair fighters rule!!! Who could you beat? [Re: BrianS]
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Registered: 08/14/05
Posts: 193
Loc: Paterson, NJ USA
LOL Ok some people are getting fiesty in here lol. oK I'll join... Well, i'll take on all the fighters. lol But seriously i'm sure we all agree here that there was one guy in the last tuff series that many of us here can more than likely beat, i forgot his name but he was obvoiusly not a fighter. I dont know how he got in there. I think he actually became the vegans best buddy after a while. And from UFC guys well i like to fight good fighters so it would be interesting to fight st pierre and or the spider enderson silvia but thats just a thought lol

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