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#381437 - 02/03/08 01:13 AM Re: In case anyone is interested [Re: oldman]
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oldman,

When people criticize doctors or educators (and I am an educator), most of us readily admit we have problems in our professions. We are also quick to denounce members of the profession whose actions disgrace us.

But when someone criticizes LEOs, their tendency is to deny everything, denounce the critics, and rally around the worst members of their profession.

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#381438 - 02/03/08 11:26 AM Re: In case anyone is interested [Re: fileboy2002]
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But when someone criticizes LEOs, their tendency is to deny everything, denounce the critics, and rally around the worst members of their profession.






Dude, do you KNOW any cops? That statement is total bullsh1t. Good cops HATE bad cops. Much of the "blue silence" or whatever you want to call it, actually comes from the administrative level, not the rank and file. Administrative level does not want the publicity or lawsuits that result from trying to fire bad apples unless they have an air-tight case. Similar to how, say....... pedophile teachers get shuffled around school districts by admins wanting to keep it quiet. But I guess that makes YOU complicit, huh?
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#381439 - 02/03/08 12:25 PM Re: In case anyone is interested [Re: MattJ]
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Actually, I know a lot of cops.

Most do condemn bad cops--in the abstract. However, every time a copper is actually accused of anything, I notice they quickly rally to his or her defense.

However, you are absolutely right to put most of the blame on public officals and supervisors. After all, the most a fellow officer can do is report misconduct. It is up to the powers that be to take action and they often do not.

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#381440 - 02/04/08 02:55 AM Re: In case anyone is interested [Re: fileboy2002]
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Most do condemn bad cops--in the abstract. However, every time a copper is actually accused of anything, I notice they quickly rally to his or her defense.




That's the thing, no one here "rallied" to Burge's defense. The thing youíre not getting about the "silent" observers is this, when cops commit these sort of crimes they aren't going to do it in plain view of the department. They are going to do it when no one else is around. Since officers have a good understanding of how easy it is for people to get off when there is no hard evidence to prove they did it they are less inclined to point fingers unless they KNOW something happened and can prove it. The administration isn't going to pursue something without evidence. I'm not making excuses for anyone; i'm telling you how it is. It's a copís job to understand probable cause and evidence and with that understanding they know they can't accuse someone of misconduct just because they think something is going on. Even if you witness it unless the victim is willing to come forth it's your word against theirs.

Like i said before it's obvious you have a thing against law enforcement since they are the only ones you are harping on. This post proves it.
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When people criticize doctors or educators (and I am an educator), most of us readily admit we have problems in our professions. We are also quick to denounce members of the profession whose actions disgrace us.

But when someone criticizes LEOs, their tendency is to deny everything, denounce the critics, and rally around the worst members of their profession.




There are a few "bad apples" in law enforcement and no we don't rally around them. We do however understand what unfounded accusations can do to a persons career and how it can effect their freedom. This is why i'm not going to throw anyone under a bus unless i know i can prove it. Same goes for anyone not in law enforcement, i'm not going to make accusations toward them unless i know i can prove them.

Get over it...there is no conspiracy.

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#381441 - 02/04/08 04:08 AM Re: In case anyone is interested [Re: laf7773]
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Well said Laf. I was going to comment but feel your covered my response..:)
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#381442 - 02/05/08 01:31 PM Re: In case anyone is interested [Re: laf7773]
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Part of the reason the Burge case was such a scandal is that he and his men DID torture people openly. The basement of Area 2 was converted into a de facto torture chamber, complete with a hand-cranked electrical for administering electrical shocks. Unless the coppers at Area 2 were blind and deaf, there was no one way they could not known what was going on. Complaints about Burge's activities were received by both the CPD Office of Professional Standards and State's Attorney's office. Nothing was done.

I could also point out that I went out of my way to make clear I did NOT beleive there was a conspiracy, but what is the use? I have said my piece, and if I don't either shut up or get pro-cop pretty quick the moderator will probably lock down this thread.

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#381443 - 02/06/08 02:34 AM Re: In case anyone is interested [Re: fileboy2002]
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It's not a matter of being "pro-cop", it's a matter of you blindly convicting people (in your own mind at least) that you don't know for a FACT witnessed anything. How can you say that you KNOW other officers witnessed anything? Have you been to the basement of area 2? Do you know it's proximity to the general population of the building? Is the area transited frequently by other officers? Or is this a remote location in the building where the only way you would find yourself there is intentionally? The problem with your "argument" is you have no real facts. You are basing your entire argument on the opinions you have formed from news articles. I'm sure i'm neither the first nor the last to tell you that the media is rarely ever a reliable source for information. You believe these actions were covered up by their fellow officers because you have a personal issue with LEOs. You can try to deny it all you want but it's obvious in your previous comments regarding your perceived contempt for the general public LEOs have and how "racist" they are. You accuse us of being biased when you are the one who is blanketing cops into one group. Unless you have something new i'm sure you are done.
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#381444 - 02/06/08 02:22 PM Re: In case anyone is interested [Re: laf7773]
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Well, I probably did poison the waters with some rash statements earlier. However, I have not done so on this thread, and that does not seem to have made much difference. As I told someone who PMed me, I think some people here would find almost ANY criticism of LEOs biased and unfair.

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