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#380898 - 03/31/08 08:40 PM Re: Discussion of Isshinshorinji Ryu [Re: chris12]
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jude studies parroting and non-proveable "research" that leads to what medulant said.
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#380899 - 04/01/08 08:03 AM Re: Discussion of Isshinshorinji Ryu [Re: chris12]
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Quote:

Jude,

It obviously sounds like you study something, what exactly do you study?




Part of my studies is Anthropology/ Earth Science based.
The early forms of transmission of knowledge were said to be in dance form.

Jude
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jude studies parroting and non- proveable "research" that leads to what medulant said.





Parroting? Is that in line with the study of the U.K term dogging?
Bit small aint they? I havent yet had the pleasure or none pleasure or have any knowledge of this subject unlike others who seem to have by being able to mention the study.

I would much prefer to study women, Anthropology and Earth Science.


It isn’t none provable Brian, the proof isn’t quite substantial enough (yet, at this exact moment in time, although it is increasing and more than likely will be ) to disprove any decent counter argument given by people who will choose to find one.



Brian, Hows my spelling?



so Chris back to the topic. How do you see kata as a transmission of techniques in you art?

Jude


Edited by jude33 (04/01/08 08:23 AM)

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#380900 - 04/01/08 08:19 AM Re: Discussion of Isshinshorinji Ryu [Re: jude33]
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OK, what about your study in martial arts. What are they?

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#380901 - 04/01/08 08:35 AM Re: Discussion of Isshinshorinji Ryu [Re: chris12]
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OK, what about your study in martial arts. What are they?




I began in
Wado, freestyle karate (didnt mention that one)trained with guys who did shotokan, did some boxing, that was in the past and at present studying the kata Sepai.

To take care of the grappling side

I train once or twice a week with guys in a form of MMA mixed with old style Judo. The guys have back grounds in thai , boxing, mma and judo.

Mixed bag.

I train (almost daily given to recovery and other committements)
On weights, heavy
Weigths for endurance circuit training
Running
bag work
makiwari.

So Chris what are yours? and how do you train?

Jude


Edited by jude33 (04/01/08 08:58 AM)

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#380902 - 04/01/08 02:28 PM Re: Discussion of Isshinshorinji Ryu [Re: jude33]
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Been on Vacation just getting caught up will post soon.

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#380903 - 04/01/08 04:42 PM Re: Discussion of Isshinshorinji Ryu [Re: jude33]
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I started in Judo and Karate as a small kid, than moved on to Isshin Ryu. Later I found Soke Murphy and Isshin ShorinJi which obvioulsy this thread is mostly about.
Since I have been studying a lot of Chen Tai Chi with some Xing Yi and Pagua.

I train mostly with form and practice my basics but not much more than that. Unfortunately most of my teacher's students are far apart and can not get together to train in "Isshin ShorinJi" so my time is mostly spent with my Chen group. Lots of push hands lots of form work.


What about the rest of you non Isshin ShorinJi people on this thread maybe you guys can talk about what you study and start a FRIENDLY conversation. It would be interesting to know how many of you study different things.


Edited by chris12 (04/01/08 04:46 PM)

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#380904 - 04/01/08 04:54 PM Re: Discussion of Isshinshorinji Ryu [Re: chris12]
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Quote:

I started in Judo and Karate as a small kid, than moved on to Isshin Ryu. Later I found Soke Murphy and Isshin ShorinJi which obvioulsy this thread is mostly about.
Since I have been studying a lot of Chen Tai Chi with some Xing Yi and Pagua.

I train mostly with form and practice my basics but not much more than that. Unfortunately most of my teacher's students are far apart and can not get together to train in "Isshin ShorinJi" so my time is mostly spent with my Chen group. Lots of push hands lots of form work.




I think Bossman is very much a karate/ tai chi practioner. He is on another thread at the moment dicussing tensho and the chinese/ tai chi aspect/ connection with some other guys. I am realy reading it and trying to take it in.

I have looked at pakau, interested in it but it will be mostly observation. Tai chi I started to learn but didnt carry on. To motivated in other directions at the moment.

I dont know very much about your art.

Jude

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#380905 - 04/01/08 05:00 PM Re: Discussion of Isshinshorinji Ryu [Re: chris12]
DragonFire Offline
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Loc: Il
The following are the belt requirements we use here for rank to my knowledge these date back to Master Champan & Master Master in the late 60's & early 70's

Feel free to discuss no fighting save it for the dojo!



Yellow Belt
Shichi Kyu 7th Degree
14 Point Hard Block
8 Point Soft Block
6 Point Elbow Strike

Katas
Empi Kata Kiai on Each Strike
Taikyoko –Ichi Kiai on 3rd Punch, 2nd set of 3 punches
Taikyoko – Ni Kiai on 3rd Punch, 2nd set of 3 punches
Taikyoko – San Kiai on 3rd Punch, 2nd set of 3 punches


Yellow Belt Green Stripe/Tab
Roku Kyu 6th Degree

Katas
Taikyoko – Shi Kiai Last punch in punch push punch set
Taikyoko – Go Kiai Grab & Punch after elbow strike


Green Belt
Go Kyu 5th Degree

Katas
Pinan - Ichi Kiai Last lunge punch, Last knife hand
Pinan – Ni Spear hand, last high block & punch
Pinan – San Spear Hand, Last Backfist


Purple Belt
Yan Kyu 4th Degree

Katas
Pinan – Shi Kiai Backfist, Knee Strike
Pinan – Go Kiai High’X’ Block & Punch, leap into Hook Stance


Brown Belt

San Kyu 3rd Degree

Katas
Sanchin – Dai First single punch after 2nd turn
Sanseroo Last pickup technique

Ni Kyu 2nd Degree

Seisan First backfist from catstance
Seiuchin Vertical Punch, First backfist, Second uppercut, Last backfist
Nijushiho First Elbow, Punch to prone opponent, under punch, last ‘U’ Punch


Ik Kyu 1st Degree
Naiuhanighi - Ichi Last Block & Punch
Naiuhanighi – Ni First Release or Throw
Naiuhanighi- San Last Backfist
Jute Third Palm Heel, last Cross’X’ block & side blocks, last eye & throat strike

Black Belt
Sho Dan 1st Degree

Wansu Fake punch, first punch set, elbow strike
Shiho – Hi Second Punch to prone opponent, first fake punch, second hammer block & side kick

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#380906 - 04/01/08 05:02 PM Re: Discussion of Isshinshorinji Ryu [Re: DragonFire]
DragonFire Offline
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Registered: 12/18/06
Posts: 11
Loc: Il
Should read master Murphy Not master master sorry:)

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#380907 - 04/02/08 10:24 AM Re: Discussion of Isshinshorinji Ryu [Re: DragonFire]
retsamdloneknurd Offline
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Registered: 02/01/08
Posts: 33
hi dragon.
have you seen any of the video on the first post carl put up on page one?
what are your thoughts on these?
i am curious as to the thoughts in general among mid-west practitioners about the essentials and the forms that soke performs.
in regards to your question about sparring, i will just comment briefly that it was not a part of training in the latter days. sensei thought that training form and working on perfecting your power through the visceral understanding of body mechanics through kata was enough to allow one to act as needed should a confrontation arise. while sparring has many benefits as any sport will, it is too easy to lose proper form by just trying to score points. we worked on a lot of paired technique. distance and timing with grappling and throws etc.

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