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#380533 - 02/13/08 07:57 PM Re: "KI" effects on cancer cells. Scientific study [Re: pathfinder7195]
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look around on these forums. I see that everyone has opinions. it would be pretty dull if people just posted links to studies and didn't comment or discuss with opinion. not that it makes me qualified any more or less, but I attended Harvard grad. school if it makes you feel better to know I'm sharing opinion, just like you give your opinion of deeming who is qualified or not. well, you aren't qualified to deem my opinion unqualified. you are like a high school student trying to tell everyone who is or isn't college educated...not legit.


by the way, if you read posts instead of reacting with emotions - I'm not saying Harvard & MIT don't have qualified researchers- I'm saying the studies you have presented are not produced by researchers...they are produced and funded by people who have a vested interest in promoting alternative medicine. The first study, I demonstrated with proof that the vested interest was pushing their ki product. This 'latest' (circa 2001) study, the apparent agenda is beefing their Qigong health benefits.

besides all that, I've not heard one opinion from you that qualifies as a logical argument. the best you and the hopers on this thread can do is put down the people questioning instead of addressing the arguements with logic - as if you are trying to win a popularity contest instead of engaging in debate.

when you are ready to debate, let me know. until then, you are just another dullard of magical thinking, going with opinions you wish to be true but not able to articulate why.

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#380534 - 02/13/08 08:35 PM Re: "KI" effects on cancer cells. Scientific study [Re: Ed_Morris]
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Opinion means nothing to you Ed. Enough people on here have given their opinion to you and for what, to be mocked and ridiculed for what they believe in. To be told to "prove it". I don't need to give my opinion on here about this topic. Herbert Benson has much better qualifications than I do or you Ed. You may call what you do a debate, but really its just to goad and mock people. Why else would a person spend so much time on something they don't believe in?

Again Ed. Just your opinion without anymore background in this than myself. Magical thinker? Maybe but still better than a troll. But a troll with opinions. Gee that's something new Ed.

Debating with me is rather pointless since neither one of us garnish any sway whatsoever with the scientific community on this topic. And I think people's beliefs on topic are already in place regardless what either one of us say.

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#380535 - 02/13/08 09:46 PM Re: "KI" effects on cancer cells. Scientific study [Re: pathfinder7195]
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#380536 - 02/13/08 09:59 PM Re: "KI" effects on cancer cells. Scientific study [Re: pathfinder7195]
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ok, anonymous. if you stop posting studies, then I'll stop giving opinion on them - that sound good and fair to you, anonymous?

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#380537 - 02/13/08 10:09 PM Re: "KI" effects on cancer cells. Scientific study [Re: pathfinder7195]
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besides, it's not only my opinion these guys are whacked with agenda.
http://www.reason.com/news/show/28808.html

even Harvard gets it wrong when funds are right sometimes.

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#380538 - 02/13/08 10:30 PM Re: "KI" effects on cancer cells. Scientific study [Re: Ed_Morris]
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"The likely truth is that Eisenberg was hoodwinked. His fellow Qi investigator Dr. Herbert Benson, who appears in Encounters With Qi and now directs Harvard's Mind/Body Medical Institute, says of external Qi Gong: "I've traveled to China to study this. I've seen nothing that defied physical laws.""


And Dr. Benson is the one name I keep mentioning. Nothing bad was said about him in that article. I never once posted anything from his counterpart. Thanks for helping me give some credit to Dr. Benson.

Yes there are several quacks in this field. The research is still new. With more funding comes better designed tests more insight and it will slowly weed out the quacks.

Ed, I know there is nothing I can say that will make any difference, but every year there is more and more research being done. The good news for me is that Harvard, Cambridge, and Oxford are interested in this and trying to do the best they can.

Yes Ed I am a little bit anonymous. Our posts total clearly tell that. Brian said it quite well about opinions. I just don't need to stink up the air as much as others.

By the way the author Chris Mooney has several books for sale. Since he has a financial stake in what he says, does that make it any less legit? Because I have heard that point being made somewhere.

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#380539 - 02/13/08 10:42 PM Re: "KI" effects on cancer cells. Scientific study [Re: pathfinder7195]
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perhaps you didn't get the gist of the article. People like Eisenberg who are mainly concerned with legitimacy, not scientific method, are well funded and using legit universities to lobby for state license...despite the lack of scientific foundation in claims of treatment. Dr. Benson's niche isn't qi-based, it's faith-based, but he's using the same mechanism to push his agenda via Eisenberg's bubble.

it's big, and you have to see it with a bird's eye view or you miss what's going on.

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#380540 - 02/13/08 10:49 PM Re: "KI" effects on cancer cells. Scientific study [Re: Ed_Morris]
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Ed, I got the gist. Chris Mooney is a author. He is not a doctor. He writes books for a living. Tries to sell them to a certain group of people. Tries to put out the best product he probably can. And make some money.

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#380541 - 02/13/08 11:09 PM Re: "KI" effects on cancer cells. Scientific study [Re: pathfinder7195]
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thats where your/my/all judgement calls and opinions come in. we look at what both sides are presenting as an argument and then make up our own minds. you and I just happen to come to different conclusions. that's fine with me....I just find it hypocritical to rely on Science's medical breakthrus, yet praise the fringe when they self-report unsubstantiated faith-healing miracles in their larger quest towards institutional legitimacy....but hey, thats just me.
While people are screwing around with paying a fortune for some witch-doctor to poke needles in them, Science will be quietly continuing to add years to the average life expectancy.

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#380542 - 02/13/08 11:19 PM Re: "KI" effects on cancer cells. Scientific study [Re: Ed_Morris]
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"While people are screwing around with paying a fortune for some witch-doctor to poke needles in them, Science will be quietly continuing to add years to the average life expectancy."

It's best to stay away from the heroin "witch doctors".
I could use a couple extra years in this life. More time for golf.

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