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#380583 - 02/18/08 11:31 PM Re: "KI" effects on cancer cells. Scientific study [Re: pathfinder7195]
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no. I was just suggesting that it was not eliminated as a possibility in the study.

also, if you read without letting your emotions cloud your judgement, I mentioned a few times that pointing out the flaws in the study does not negate people's beliefs in ki.

as far spending so much time in this thread, check this one out - it's twice as long:
http://www.fightingarts.com/ubbthreads/s...00#Post15985256

sometimes we entertain imagination, sometimes argument. It's all good, but I notice you are more concerned with defending ki than defending against a zombie armagedon scenario.

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#380584 - 02/19/08 12:10 AM Re: "KI" effects on cancer cells. Scientific study [Re: Ed_Morris]
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no. I was just suggesting that it was not eliminated as a possibility in the study.




It heat could do it, then I don't see why conventional cancer treatment needed to use radioactive based methods, just a good hot hair-dryer would have surficed.
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#380585 - 02/19/08 12:18 AM Re: "KI" effects on cancer cells. Scientific study [Re: ButterflyPalm]
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sure. all you have to do is first gather all the cancer cells from within the body and put them in a petre dish.

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#380586 - 02/19/08 12:34 AM Re: "KI" effects on cancer cells. Scientific study [Re: Ed_Morris]
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sure. all you have to do is first gather all the cancer cells from within the body and put them in a petre dish.




Is that what they do in radiological cancer treatment?
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#380587 - 02/19/08 01:48 AM Re: "KI" effects on cancer cells. Scientific study [Re: ButterflyPalm]
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I think you mean radiation therapy. radiology is an imaging method. two different things.

but no, since removing the cancer cells would take care of the problem in it's own right. besides, I doubt you'd want to compare who lives longer, a cancer patient who undergoes only ki treatment or one who undergoes only radiation.

it would be the difference of buying them a wig vs. a casket for their next birthday.

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#380588 - 02/19/08 02:15 AM Re: "KI" effects on cancer cells. Scientific study [Re: Ed_Morris]
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Folks, we've got a few people who have a genuine interest it this stuff. Have the ability to think freely and actually research topics openly from a scientific perspective and also an eastern. I think we have a golden actually start some meaning conversation here. Ed lacks all of these abilities. I have a solution to that problem. Do the following:

Click on his name to view his profile and then click on the "Ignore User" Option. Works a treat. Ed, honestly you've become that annoying that I have now followed that course of action, so please don't bother replying to this as, well you understand.
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#380589 - 02/19/08 03:56 AM Re: "KI" effects on cancer cells. Scientific study [Re: Gavin]
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BTW I typed that extremely early pre-coffee!
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#380590 - 02/19/08 06:40 AM Re: "KI" effects on cancer cells. Scientific study [Re: Gavin]
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It would be rather grim if Ed was chosen herald of the apocalypse, and we all had him on ignore.
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#380591 - 02/19/08 06:48 AM Re: "KI" effects on cancer cells. Scientific study [Re: Ed_Morris]
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you are obviously emotionally attached to your beliefs and cannot conduct a rational discussion by stepping outside yourself and looking at things the way they are instead of what you feel they are.




Nice try, Ed... the old "create a bias on the debater's part when you have no argument against the information"... not the first time you've tried it, either.

Pathfinder's definition is pretty accurate, about the uniting of the mind, body and spirit, and I've spent 45 years training to do that. I think that trumps your "emotional attachment" argument a bit... and, as usual, you present nothing to defend your case that it's just something of love. Maybe it is... who the hell knows? You certainly can't prove it either way, yourself.

From my notes "on being a black belt"... "the black belt is not only the measure of skills in fighting, but the measure of a person with a large, and forgiving heart. Deadly skills are entrusted to you, and the responsibility to use them correctly, not only for your own self defense, but the good of society. In training others, you must impart that balance between the ability to kill others and to forgive their foolishness and tauntings... for people who do not understand the basis of your arts will have perceptiions that are both foolish and errant.

Love your students and those that you contact during your training... for they are often disparaged from failures, lack of understanding, and inability to do what you do as a teacher. You will meet many people in martial arts... some who are very skilled, some who are not... but at heart, they are still all good people. You will impart much to them, and gain much from them... it is a two way street. Learn from everyone, absorb their energies, and transmit yours to those that prove themselves worthy."

A bit of a far cry from voodoo, wouldn't you say? Yes, I have an emotional attachment to everyone... not just my wife, and her problems... but to everyone I come in contact with. It is often negative... but I push through that to extend myself and hopefully turn that negative energy into something that benefits us both.

You're all about "western medicine", but my experience with it has been more that they are only willing to make you more comfortable dying in their effort to cure cancer. They can tell you what treatments you can have based on when the insurance runs out... and fortunately, ours was limitless... so if Western Medicine was that great, my wife should have lived well beyond what she did. "Statistically" she died a full year before she should have.

You're right about one thing, however... I didn't have the "clinical attitude" we got from the doctors and staff who were protecting themselves from "emotional involvement" in her treatment. Perhaps if they'd had a bit more of it, she might have lived even longer. Who's to say?

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#380592 - 02/19/08 09:25 AM Re: "KI" effects on cancer cells. Scientific study [Re: Vennificus]
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It would be rather grim if Ed was chosen herald of the apocalypse, and we all had him on ignore.




If the world was really going to come to an end would you really want to know? I try to live my life on a day to day basis anyhow and try to do everything I need to do and tell the people in my life the things I need to tell them. I'd probably not do that much differently come the apocalypse..besides holding up a big sign saying, "Please take me to your Mother-ship!" and probably cancel the Papers!
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