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#380413 - 01/29/08 05:35 PM "KI" effects on cancer cells. Scientific study
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http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1193556

Studies have been on going the last 20 years for the search of "chi" "ki". Science is studying "chi" at several major colleges. This article is from Oxford University. Perhaps a few people on here could save these colleges bundles of $$$$$ by explaining to these scientists that they are wasting their time since they seem to know so much about this subject.

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#380414 - 01/29/08 06:16 PM Re: "KI" effects on cancer cells. Scientific study [Re: pathfinder7195]
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trial and error is the way we learn. Without proper study we can only speculate.
However goji(sp?) juice supposedly has the same effect on cancer cells in a petri dish
(The guy who did the study pointed out that the petri dish results probably wouldn't affect a full human)
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#380415 - 01/29/08 07:13 PM Re: "KI" effects on cancer cells. Scientific study [Re: pathfinder7195]
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Interesting, but the very small test pool does not make this conclusive, IMHO. I would like to see more of the same test, or more people in test/control positions.
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#380416 - 01/29/08 07:37 PM Re: "KI" effects on cancer cells. Scientific study [Re: Vennificus]
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My sister gave me all sorts of remedies when I had testicular cancer. One word...placebo.

The chemotherapy worked( Cisplatin and Bp16) Damn near killed me,but it worked.
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#380417 - 01/29/08 11:40 PM Re: "KI" effects on cancer cells. Scientific study [Re: BrianS]
wristtwister Offline
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Brian,
after what my wife went through with chemotherapy, I offer my sincere sympathies.

Apparently, there are some studies being done re: Ki and cancer, and some other studies on the meridian systems that I found interesting. I've had some interesting "discussions" with some of the skeptics on the boards about meridian theory and ki, and their mantra is always "scientific study"...

The first is an abstract on the electrical properties of ki, and the link is to a study about the electrical properties of cancer cells. There was another one, but I lost the link, which researched ki applications at retarding tumor growth, and apparently it worked clinically in the lab, but only in a limited framework. I know better than to offer an opinion on the material, but I'll put it here for you to read...

Electrical properties of meridians
Kuo-Gen Chen
Dept. of Phys., Soochow Univ., Taipei;
An overview of the electrodermal screening test is given. An existing model of the electrical properties of the skin has been the accepted scientific standard for decades. But this model is based entirely on mechanistic principles and it fails to explain many biological phenomena, particularly those relating to acupuncture points and meridians. The author has developed a new model which, unlike the standard model, includes an active biological response and the fact that the electricity passes though different types of tissue, not just skin. This model not only explains much of acupuncture phenomena, in general, but can also be used to explain all possible EDST readings. The author has reviewed studies of electrodermal properties with studies of qualities specific to meridians. The author discovered that meridians have higher conductance, faster electromagnetic wave propagation, and patterns of preferential direction. Because of these factors, the meridian system acts as a particularly good network for the communication of bioinformation and thus plays an essential role in biological function. It is very interesting that much of what has been learned through studies using the most modern equipment and methodologies is in agreement with meridian theory dating from 100 B.C.E. and earlier

http://www.sanum-per-aquam.de/pdfs/spa-study-alkaline-14.pdf


Enjoy...

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#380418 - 01/30/08 08:24 AM Re: "KI" effects on cancer cells. Scientific study [Re: wristtwister]
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These are just baby steps and early days yet. Give the scientists more time.

The study posted by Pathfinder says it might be infrared radiation and therefore has electromagnetic properties, which might explain why I have problems when I wear rubber sole shoes.

This is just what I have been looking for and gives me some helpful ideas to work on as recently I've been directing my chi to my eyes and if its really infrared radiation then......
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#380419 - 01/30/08 07:22 PM Re: "KI" effects on cancer cells. Scientific study [Re: ButterflyPalm]
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BP, you are right on. These studies are the foundation being built for science to better explain chi/ki. The big leap for the scientists is the advantage of now having major universities putting their name, time and money into these studies. Institutions such as Harvard and Oxford lead to higher degree of credibility for these kind of studies.

Wristtwister thanks for the link.

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#380420 - 01/30/08 08:07 PM Re: "KI" effects on cancer cells. Scientific study [Re: pathfinder7195]
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If this does turn out to be sucsessful, we will have discovered something that we've been trying to figure out for years, and I can only think of one scentence that really fits that situation.
"it was a tricky little [censored], but we got it"
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#380421 - 01/30/08 08:09 PM Re: "KI" effects on cancer cells. Scientific study [Re: pathfinder7195]
BrianS Offline
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Quote:

BP, you are right on. These studies are the foundation being built for science to better explain chi/ki. The big leap for the scientists is the advantage of now having major universities putting their name, time and money into these studies. Institutions such as Harvard and Oxford lead to higher degree of credibility for these kind of studies.

Wristtwister thanks for the link.




Do you know how p1ssed off I'm going to be if I went through all of that and didn't have too!!
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#380422 - 01/30/08 08:12 PM Re: "KI" effects on cancer cells. Scientific study [Re: BrianS]
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pretty [censored] I'd imagine, almost lost your gonads when you could've just thought them back to health
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