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#380523 - 02/12/08 09:20 PM Re: "KI" effects on cancer cells. Scientific study [Re: wristtwister]
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Last Published: February 12, 2008Boston Weather: 29 °F | OvercastVolume 122 >> Issue 1 : Tuesday, February 5, 2002No PDF Available
MIT Group Promotes Alternative Medicines
By Pey-Hua Hwang
STAFF REPORTER

On Feb. 3, the MIT and Harvard Yan Xin Qigong Associations held a banquet to celebrate a successful conference from Dec. 8 to Dec. 9, 2001 which was attended by over 500 scientists and over 200 scientific papers and experimental reports were presented.

Provost Robert A. Brown, Vice President of Research and Associate Provost Alice P. Gast, and Dean for Graduate Students Isaac M. Colbert, all sent their support for this novel form of medical health treatment. Colbert even said that he would “recommend Yan Xin Qigong and as a possible Physical Education class.”

Yan Xin Qigong is an ancient method for healing and fitness. Its practice in Asia dates back 3500 to 5000 years. The rudimentary principles, which literally involve “working with energy” can be found in acupuncture, traditional Chinese medicine, the martial arts, and many health disciplines.

What differentiates Yan Xin Qigong from other alternative medicines is that it has been subjected to many scientific experiments and has proved effective in reducing the poisonous effects of hydrogen peroxide and keeping neural cells from aging among other positive effects. Yajun Sang G said “this is the only qigong to my knowledge that pays attention to scientific research.”

Researchers praise practice

Dr. Ming Dao, Conference Co-Chair Advisor of MIT Yan Xin Qigong Association, opened the speakers list by commenting on the success of the conference and reading the messages of support from the various MIT deans. He then turned over the speaker to Ms. Na An, a lab manager in the MIT Biology Department who gave a personal testimonial about the positive effects of qigong on both her mental and physical health as well as on the mental and physical health of her family.

“My husband’s 30 year habit of drinking,” she said, “was completely reversed.”

Dr. Denise O'Hara, a principle research scientist at the Genetic Institute, gave a presentation on some of the various scientific testing that been performed on Yan Xin Qigong using treated and untreated tissue cultures and the exciting results. The ability of the Qi to kill cancer cell lines while leaving healthy cell lines untouched was particularly notable.

Deans support research

Associate Dean for Graduate Students Blanche Staton and Assistant Director and International Student Advisor Maria Brennan also spoke and voiced their support of the technique. “I’m looking forward to learning about [Yan Xin Qigong], and I’m sure you’ll be around to teach me,” she said

Dr. Yan Xin first visited Boston in the summer of 1990. Invited by research groups on life science at MIT, he delivered academic lectures on life science technology. Later he was invited a number of times to give academic lectures and conduct experiments at Harvard University.

Interested researchers from various departments of Harvard Medical School and MIT, including the Dana Farber Cancer Institute, the Harvard School of Public Health, and MIT's Biology Department attended the recent Harvard-MIT Yan Xin Life Science Technology Research Conference. One of the most important announcements to the researchers at the conference was the successful killing of 21 types of cancer cells by Yan Xin Life Science Technology serial product XY-Yang Sheng Su, a powder supposedly treated with Qi, and the external Qi of Yan Xin Qigong.

In a world where antibiotic resistance continues to increase and carcinogens are omnipresent, Yan Xin Qigong may become a new avenue to explore, with MIT researchers potentially leading the way.

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#380524 - 02/12/08 10:06 PM Re: "KI" effects on cancer cells. Scientific study [Re: pathfinder7195]
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"new" avenue to explore? that was from 2001 and so far, we haven't seen any qigong-treated miracles.

also, the Dali Lama also visited MIT and Harvard, does that make reincarnation proven?

anyway, here's another view...
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BACKGROUND: Practitioners of the alternative medical practice 'external Qigong' generally claim the ability to emit or direct "healing energy" to treat patients. We investigated the ability of experienced Qigong practitioners to enhance the healthy growth of cultured human cells in a series of studies, each following a rigorously designed protocol with randomization, blinding and controls for variability. METHODS: Qigong practitioners directed healing intentionality toward normal brain cell cultures in a basic science laboratory. Qigong treatments were delivered for 20 minutes from a minimum distance of 10 centimeters. Cell proliferation was measured by a standard colony-forming efficiency (CFE) assay and a CFE ratio (CFE for treated samples/CFE for sham samples) was the dependent measure for each experiment. RESULTS: During a pilot study (8 experiments), a trend of increased cell proliferation in Qigong-treated samples (CFE Qigong/sham ratios > 1.0) was observed (P = 0.162). In a formal study (28 experiments), a similar trend was observed, with Qigong-treated samples showing on average more colony formation than sham samples (P = 0.036). In a replication study (60 experiments), no significant difference between Qigong-treated samples and sham samples was observed (P = 0.465). CONCLUSION: We observed an apparent increase in the proliferation of cultured cells following external Qigong treatment by practitioners under strictly controlled conditions, but we did not observe this effect in a replication study. These results suggest the need for more controlled and thorough investigation of external Qigong before scientific validation is claimed.

full text at:
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1472-6882/4/5

As you can see from this extract, the results were negative. There were lots of controls, and Yount said that positive results in the Chinese literature didn't have such tight controls. Also, he feels that they did selective reporting. A look at his points in Fig. 1 of the paper shows that even when two controls were compared to each other, differences of between 10- and 100-fold could show up in the assay, showing the possibility for errors.

He then went on to describe another series of experiments. This time cells were followed by video cameras that took images every five minutes. Cell growth and death was monitored for individual cells. Instead of qigong, johrei, a Japanese technique, was used. Again, there were no significant effects of the healers. This study is also available on-line at:
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1472-6882/5/2

Next he talked about experiments where people try to "perceive the presence of cultured human cells without visual clues." The abstract is at:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query...&query_hl=1

Again, the results were negative.

He noted that a study performed by other researchers also found no effect: Br J Cancer. 2005 Sep 5;93(5):538-43. The effect of spiritual healing on in vitro tumour cell proliferation and viability--an experimental study. Zachariae R, Hojgaard L, Zachariae C, Vaeth M, Bang B, Skov L.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query...&query_hl=3

Throughout the talk he gave the impression of someone who really felt that the healers had some kind of power, and wanted to see positive effects, but he designed his experiments so carefully that nothing significant ever came out. Almost as if to give the audience some hope to cling to, he then presented a published study that did have positive results:

Brain Res. 2004 May 1;1006(2):198-206 (Erratum in: Brain Res. 2004 May 22;1008 (2)299-300.) Involvement of phosphatidylinositol 3-kinase and insulin-like growth factor-I in YXLST-mediated neuroprotection. Yan X, Shen H, Zaharia M, Wang J, Wolf D, Li F, Lee GD, Cao W. American New Medicine Institute, New York, NY 10107, USA.

Abstract:
In the present study, we examine the neuroprotective role of the external Qi of YXLST in cultured retinal neurons. Primary retinal neuronal cultures were grown from retinas of 0-2-day-old Sprague-Dawley rats. Cultures were treated directly with external Qi of YXLST 30 min prior to H(2)O(2) exposure in most experiments. Cell viability was measured by 3,(4,5-dimethylthiazol-2-yl)2,5-diphenyl-tetrazolium bromide (MTT) assay. Apoptotic cell death was evaluated by the TdT-mediated digoxigenin-dUTP nick-end labeling TUNEL assay, and by DNA laddering analysis. Northern blot analysis was performed to examine the level of insulin-like growth factor-I (IGF-I) gene expression. Phosphatidylinositol 3-kinase (PI3K) assay was performed to study the PI3K activity. The results showed that treatment of external Qi of YXLST significantly attenuated neuronal death that was induced by 24-h exposure to hydrogen peroxide, and greatly inhibited hydrogen peroxide-induced apoptosis. External Qi of YXLST also upregulated IGF-I gene expression and increased PI3K activity. These observations indicate that external Qi-mediated IGF-I expression and PI3K signaling could be one of the mechanisms in neuroprotection by YXLST.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query...&query_hl=1

Although this paper is published in a regular medical journal, it has some strange aspects. First, it uses in the title and the abstract, with no explanation, an unconventional acronym, "YXLST." Not until the Introduction does the reader find out that this stands for Yan Xin Life Sciences and Technology, and Yan Xin is the first author of the paper (Yan is his family name, so he is listed as "Xin Yan" as author, but in the text he is called "Dr. Yan Xin"). Here is his web site, with testimonials such as "Dr. Yan Xin is a sage of our times" from President Bush in 1990:
http://www.yanxinqigong.net/

Second, and more important, the paper reports incredible results from a paranormal treatment: "The treatment of external Qi of YXLST involved in the emitting external Qi from Dr. Yan Xin toward the neuronal culture for 10 min in each session." In Fig. 1, external qi is shown to reduce cell killing by hydrogen peroxide. The treatment killed about 80% of the cells, but when hydrogen peroxide and external qi were combined, nearly 100% viability was maintained! In Fig. 2, apoptosis (programmed cell death) is measured. Control cells look like they have about 3%; hydrogen peroxide increases this to 44%; hydrogen peroxide plus qi give about 4%. In Fig. 3, phosphatidylinositol 3-kinase (PI3K), an enzyme involved in regulation of cell metabolism and protection from apoptosis, is measured at various times after treatment of control cells by external qi. The activity increases about 4-fold after 0.5 h and 6-fold after 1 h. Fig. 4 looks at cells pretreated or not with qi, then given H2O2 or not for 24 h. H2O2 slightly reduced PI3K activity, qi increased it 2-fold; and H2O2 plus qi resulted in a 1.7-fold increase. Fig. 5 looks at expression of the gene for insulin-like growth factor-I (IGF-I); qi treatment causes about a 2-fold effect on gene expression 1 h later. Fig. 6 is like Fig. 4, only this time with IGF-I expression rather than PI3K activity; again, there is a slight negative effect of H2O2 which is overcome by qi.

The discussion notes the many wondrous properties of Yan Xin's qi: "The effects or existence of external Qi of YXLST can be physically confirmed using modern methodologies/instruments...It has been reported that external Qi of YXLST produces significant structural changes in water and aqueous solutions, alters the phase behavior of dipalmitoyl phosphatidyl choline liposome, and enables the growth of Fab protein crystals, and improves large-scale industrial productions of antibiotics. It has been demonstrated that external Qi of YXLST can modulate PI3K enzyme activity. It has also been reported that XY99-5038, a product of external Qi of YXLST, can prolong the survival of neurons and inhibit H2O2-induced apoptosis, and induce IGF-I gene expression detected by cDNA microarray analysis." In the introduction, it is also noted that it "can alter the rate of decay of radioactive isotopes, the polarization plane of a linearly polarized laser beam, the laser Raman spectrum and UV absorption of water...and the requisite conditions for gas phase chemical synthesis." (numbers of literature citations deleted from quotes)

With abilities like this, one wonders why Yan Xin doesn't demonstrate his powers for James Randi's $1 million prize.

The article concludes with acknowledgement of grant support - which included the Yan Xin Foundation, a grant from "Research to Prevent Blindness," and two grants from the National Institutes of Health! (Yount's research on qigong was also supported by NIH, through the National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine).

Back to the seminar: after discussing the Yan Xin work, Yount concluded with some case report concerning Johrei. Then, remarkably for a seminar with an outside speaker, there was not a single question from the audience - perhaps because no data had been presented supporting the existence of spiritual healing of cancer cells.




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#380525 - 02/13/08 03:45 AM Re: "KI" effects on cancer cells. Scientific study [Re: eyrie]
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Quote:

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it is merely the manifestation of the interplay between Yin and Yang, the 1's and 0's of life.


Equating binary state representation to yin/yang is a bit of an over-simplification. Let's not forget that binary 1's and 0's is a state representation of analogue signals - it is the peaks (+) and troughs (-) of frequency amplitude that's used to arbitrarily represent discrete "states" of "on" or "off" - i.e. 1 or 0. Yes, even your "Digital" Video Disc works on the same principle of external analogue conversion to internal digital representation.

As you well know, the theoretical principle of yin/yang is not as black and white as 0's and 1's (pun intended). Sometimes, you need to see all the different shades of gray that make up the colorful spectrum of life (even worse pun). It is extreme to believe or insist that things exist only at the extremes - like hot and cold, there are degrees (really bad pun) in between.




Ultimately mate it is as simple as 1's and 0's. If at any one point in the manifestation of anything, be it thought, sound, love, anger, stars, galaxies, atoms, ducks, geese and even Ed you can freeze frame the procedure and clearly identify the Yin and Yang state within that manifestation. Then you can then take either the Yin or the Yang from that manifestation and find a Yin and Yang state within it also. Then you can take the manifestation of that manifestation and find more Yin and Yang states of existence. So, like binary, although simple at a base level it becomes infinitely complex when you start trying to track existence. It is when you actually start tracking the manifestations of Yin and Yang that you start noticing patterns and by observing these patterns the wonderfully accurate methods of observations such as the 5 Element Theory came about. Although you'll be aware that 5 element theory really is a bit of a red herring, I much prefer the more precise translation of 5 Transformation or 5 Phases, these being Water, Wood, Fire, Earth and Metal. With the 5 phases being a poetic, extremely precise, analysis of Yin/Yang transformations.

I kept it simple for the level it was being pitched at in the thread and to illustrate how silly some of the bickering was. Seemingly it didn't work, the same old tired narrow minded arguments just spring up as soon as they can. Still it's entertaining watching narrow minded people hop from one foot to the t'other t'aint it???? Groupies, huh?
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#380526 - 02/13/08 07:47 AM Re: "KI" effects on cancer cells. Scientific study [Re: Ed_Morris]
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Ed I would rather take the advice of MIT and Harvard researchers over people who have no background in this. Like myself or you.

Gavin good posts.

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#380527 - 02/13/08 08:28 AM Re: "KI" effects on cancer cells. Scientific study [Re: Gavin]
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whats more entertaining is seeing meatheads who barely finished HS trying to use big words like 'manifestation' in sentences.

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#380528 - 02/13/08 08:29 AM Re: "KI" effects on cancer cells. Scientific study [Re: pathfinder7195]
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well, when you find a study done by researchers, let us know.

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#380529 - 02/13/08 08:44 AM Re: "KI" effects on cancer cells. Scientific study [Re: Ed_Morris]
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Good luck Ed.
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#380530 - 02/13/08 05:50 PM Re: "KI" effects on cancer cells. Scientific study [Re: Ed_Morris]
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Ed, when you find universities better than MIT or Harvard that can live up to your scientific background let me know. It's good to know Ed that you have the qualifications to disprove their studies. Lets see who has more respect from the scientific community Ed Morris or Harvard/Herbert Benson? The fact that these colleges keep studying something you find silly says enough. Look at how much "chi" effects you Ed. Something you do not even believe in but yet you spend so much time posting about it. It's like a atheist on christian forum.

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#380531 - 02/13/08 06:10 PM Re: "KI" effects on cancer cells. Scientific study [Re: pathfinder7195]
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opposing viewpoints are useful. Whatever insight can be provided is often useful. We should not blindly follow this brand-name science, but ask questions of it.
Just like these institutes ask questions about something that many in the scientific community deny, It is good to have someone in turn question them. Thusly we all grow together as a whole, each learning from the other.
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#380532 - 02/13/08 06:34 PM Re: "KI" effects on cancer cells. Scientific study [Re: Vennificus]
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I think it's great people question things. But when you do not have the qualifications to disprove a study then it is only opinion. There's no prominent scientists calling these people frauds only non scientists are. It's like a middle school flag football coach trying to sound like a high paid professional coach, not legit.

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