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#380513 - 02/10/08 09:27 PM Re: "KI" effects on cancer cells. Scientific study [Re: Vennificus]
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It is possible that ki is a form of radiation, I'm not a physicist, but I have a feeling It's sub-infrared in terms of wavelength (wavelength is longer).





http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=73068

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#380514 - 02/11/08 03:55 AM Re: "KI" effects on cancer cells. Scientific study [Re: Ed_Morris]
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listen, I don't care who I rub the wrong way - or even if, god forbid, I lose Gavin's best friend status.





No offence Ed, but best friend is probably a bit strong...favourite online sparring partner is more accurate.

Let's just have one more attempt at understanding why this whole subject is a bit silly, pointless and ultimately a waste of effort...coz we're approaching it from the wrong perspective.

Ok, in my previous life (and one that unfortunately isn't quite dead yet! )I've been a Network Engineer for a UK Internet Provider. Over the internet we send a whole host of applications like email, web browsing, downloading movies, playing games, talking to your Granny halfway around the world and some even more carnal activities. The thing is, at a network level, when your data hits the wire, at a base level, whatever your doing on the Internet (or on a computer in fact) can be broken down to either a "1" or a "0". By the time your Internet activities hit my level in the proceedings, be it email or porn, its binary. Whether its going out over a fibre optic cable as light, a copper cable as an electric charge or being broadcast out over a radio wave ultimately its perceived at either end as a 1 or a 0. By interpreting these huge strings of 1's and 0's our computers create the experience that we perceive as the internet. Everything we do on a computer, or anything digital, is at it's base level a 1 or 0. Regardless of how we perceive the way the 1's and 0's manifest, computer games, MP3's, a telephone conversation, anything can still be broken down to a logical binary sequence of information.

So long winded analogy aside, the fundamental governing principle behind Ki is Yin and Yang. In fact it is said that all Ki is merely the manifestation of the interaction of Yin and Yang, or the change between the two states of existence. It's that simple. Everything we perceive, experience, smell, touch, love and dismiss can be observed within the Yin/Yang state of existence. Physics can be observed within this model, Quantum physics can be observed, metaphysics can be observed, Philosophy can be observed, Art, Food, Health....

Science is governed by Yin and Yang, cause and effect. I study both Eastern and Western medical thought. The Western stuff I believe has the edge in discussing the physical anatomy of the human condition, the East is brilliant at discussing and understanding the physiology. The west can break down the physical and understanding the sum of the part, but is fuzzy and bitty when explaining the whole. The East is fantastic at understanding the holistic picture of the universe at all levels of existence.

I don't know I really can't explain it any more simply than that. It requires a paradigm shift in perception to understand the implications of the intertwining of the two worlds, and that is where many people have trouble understanding. Just as it would be hard for your average Joe to picture that an email and an MP3 file are actually the same at a base level, just different manifestations of 1's and 0's. Infrared and Sound waves are made up of exactly the same stuff we are, at a base level.....this works in classical physics, Quantum physics and Yin/Yang theory. I mentioned earlier (and it was dismissed as "interesting") about how interesting the concept of "free thought" is from a neurological point of view, but our brain is hardware for processing reality and as a consequence a tool for perceiving it. Unless we expand our universal view we will not be able to understand concepts that are new to us. It's interesting that through our thought processes we can re-wire our brain, and also strengthen patterns of previous perception. So if you approach a subject without entertaining the possibility change, you'll perceive new data using your brains existing wiring, and as such find it very difficult to change or expand your world view.

So long ramble over, arguing about the existence of Ki is very silly as it is merely the manifestation of the interplay between Yin and Yang, the 1's and 0's of life. So the wording of the experiment shouldn't be "Does Ki exist?" because that is a stupid question. We should ask, "Can a human being manifest a form of Ki, naturally, that is effective in treating Cancer?". Or you can reword that to suit western audiences better, "Can the human body emit a form of energy that is effective at treating Cancer?". We know that there are forms of energy, forms of Ki, that are effective in treatment, Sound waves, radiowaves, electromagnetic.....yada yada, question is can the human body, if harnessed properly, emit these energies and if so how. We know that it is possible within the Animal Kingdom to naturally emit various energies. Can humans be engineered, trained or developed to do so?

Forget trying to prove that Ki exists, because if you understand the concept that is given, get the people who do supernormal things and figure out how they do it and how to replicate it. Forget the people that have egotistical pursuits like knocking each other out from twenty foot away, figure out how some people make dramatic recoveries from supposedly fatal diseases and study those that achieve great things for man kind. That's what I want to see!
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#380515 - 02/11/08 07:12 AM Re: "KI" effects on cancer cells. Scientific study [Re: Gavin]
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wow Gavin, how many years to come up with the 0-1 yin/yang analogy? thats deep.

so, I should be asking can humans train to emit a 420Mhz RF signal? or should I be asking if human ki transmitters need FCC approval?


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#380516 - 02/11/08 07:17 AM Re: "KI" effects on cancer cells. Scientific study [Re: Ed_Morris]
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so, I should be asking can humans train to emit a 420Mhz RF signal?




Only if they're ultra high !

I think that'll conclude my participation here....
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#380517 - 02/11/08 02:31 PM Re: "KI" effects on cancer cells. Scientific study [Re: Gavin]
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that was pretty funny actually
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#380518 - 02/12/08 06:13 AM Re: "KI" effects on cancer cells. Scientific study [Re: Vennificus]
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Don't know what's sadder...me actually remembering that frequency range or you for getting the joke???
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#380519 - 02/12/08 02:27 PM Re: "KI" effects on cancer cells. Scientific study [Re: Gavin]
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#380520 - 02/12/08 03:30 PM Re: "KI" effects on cancer cells. Scientific study [Re: Vennificus]
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#380521 - 02/12/08 07:20 PM Re: "KI" effects on cancer cells. Scientific study [Re: Gavin]
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it is merely the manifestation of the interplay between Yin and Yang, the 1's and 0's of life.


Equating binary state representation to yin/yang is a bit of an over-simplification. Let's not forget that binary 1's and 0's is a state representation of analogue signals - it is the peaks (+) and troughs (-) of frequency amplitude that's used to arbitrarily represent discrete "states" of "on" or "off" - i.e. 1 or 0. Yes, even your "Digital" Video Disc works on the same principle of external analogue conversion to internal digital representation.

As you well know, the theoretical principle of yin/yang is not as black and white as 0's and 1's (pun intended). Sometimes, you need to see all the different shades of gray that make up the colorful spectrum of life (even worse pun). It is extreme to believe or insist that things exist only at the extremes - like hot and cold, there are degrees (really bad pun) in between.

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#380522 - 02/12/08 08:16 PM Re: "KI" effects on cancer cells. Scientific study [Re: eyrie]
wristtwister Offline
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Maybe it should be explained like breathing... you are always in either the act of inhaling or exhaling.. except for the point where you change over... once on the exhale, once on the inhale cycle. Your lungs are never quite "empty" and never quite "full"... but they continue to do the process of transferring oxygen and expelling CO2...

Oh hell... now I'm a polluter...



Sorry guys... I just couldn't pass that up...


Edited by wristtwister (02/12/08 08:17 PM)
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