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#378405 - 01/10/08 08:09 AM USA MUGAI RYU
seibukanUK Offline
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Registered: 11/30/07
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Hello All,
I study Mugai Ryu Iai Heido. I have recently viewed some Mugai Ryu videos from various sources that originated from pratitioners and teachers in the USA. It seems to be completely different to the Mugai Ryu that I do and other schools here in Europe, especially chiburi but also some of the Katas. Although they are named exactly the same. Can anyone shed any light on why this is?
Kind Regards
Sean
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#378406 - 01/10/08 05:34 PM Re: USA MUGAI RYU [Re: seibukanUK]
JoshuaMonjin Offline
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I don't practice Mugai ryu so I can't help you. Perhaps, is it different substyles of Mugai ryu? Maybe if you post some links to videos and explain some differences more experienced members might chime in
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#378407 - 01/10/08 11:44 PM Re: USA MUGAI RYU [Re: JoshuaMonjin]
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there are many lines of Mugai Ryu, and many groups that claim to do it but have no current affiliation with any recognized line. Which line are you in? (Who is your sensei's sensei?) And what videos are you talking about. Links would be nice.

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#378408 - 01/11/08 01:09 AM Re: USA MUGAI RYU [Re: socho]
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Most of the Mugai Ryu in the US was passed down through Shogo Kuniba and his American students. But there are a lot of problems there.

Kuniba trained up to 4th Dan (perhaps 3rd) under Isshi Gogetsu who was Soke of Mugai Ryu Iahihyodo for a short time. Kuniba started teaching Mugai Ryu and little by little started developing his own style. But even after he changed the name to Kuniba Ryu many of his former American students continued calling it Mugai Ryu. Other students of his just learned some of the kata and then split off forming thier own branches of Mugai Ryu.

I cant' speak for what is happening in Europe. I'm sure there are a number of splinter groups there too. I would assume that using the HEIDO romaji you are connected with Kai Kuniyuki Soke, who is one of the 4 appointed as 16th Soke of Mugai Ryu Iaihyodo. Is that correct? Perhaps you can share some of your background.

If looking for Mugai Ryu in the USA you will need to decide what you want - just kata or be part of a continuing Japanese tradition. There are a number of schools descended from Kuniba, there are a few more traditional schools and there is a growing movement in the newsport/tounrnament version of Muagi Ryu.

As far as comparing it to what they are doing in Japan, there are atleast 9 people who claim to be Soke of Mugai Ryu (likely more). So you just have to pick who want to follow and go with that.

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#378409 - 01/11/08 01:17 AM Re: USA MUGAI RYU [Re: seibukanUK]
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Sean,

I found your dojo web site through your profile and see that you are affiliated with Kai Kuniyuki Sensei.

I don't know how old this web site, but it lists Kai Sensei as 9th Dan Hanshi in Muagai Ryu. Has the site just not been updated in a few years? Or is he not using the title of Soke any more?

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#378410 - 01/11/08 05:30 AM Re: USA MUGAI RYU [Re: JAMJTX]
seibukanUK Offline
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Thanks for your responses James. Perhaps it is Kuniba Ryu that I have been watching although it is described as Mugai Ryu.The Chiburi appears to be more like MJER than Mugai ryu.Kai Sensei is 16th Soke and continues to use the title. The site is very rarely updated.
Regards
Sean
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#378411 - 01/11/08 05:32 AM Re: USA MUGAI RYU [Re: socho]
seibukanUK Offline
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See below for answers Dave. Unfortunately the videos I have been watching are not web based.
Sean
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#378412 - 01/11/08 06:10 AM Re: USA MUGAI RYU [Re: seibukanUK]
seibukanUK Offline
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I just Found this:
http://ejmas.com/tin/2007tin/mugai/A%20C...0Ryu%20Iai.html
It's very interesting and it does appear that I have been watching Kuniba Ryu, although it is advertised as Mugai Ryu
Thanks to Jim for pointing me in the right direction.
Sean.
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#378413 - 01/11/08 02:28 PM Re: USA MUGAI RYU [Re: JAMJTX]
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Quote:

there is a growing movement in the newsport/tounrnament version of Muagi Ryu.




Please explain...

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#378414 - 01/11/08 04:25 PM Re: USA MUGAI RYU [Re: gobonuki]
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The growing popularity of taikai/competition has spawned a new Mugai Ryu version that incorporates new kata to meet the demands of the competition.

So if you see some Mugai Ryu stlist doing kata that you do not recognize, it may be one of the new competition kata.

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