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#377746 - 03/08/08 07:41 PM Re: Taekwonddiscussio loosing it's face/popularity [Re: trevek]
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Not a surprising idea, though, when General Choi used to openly refer to WTF TKD as 'phoney TKD'




You are 100% right. He was very bitter & he may have had good reason, but he also had a big ego. However you never accomplish much goodness or goodwill with negativity. Ironically, now that he is gone, a big impediement, his bitterness is gone.

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#377747 - 03/08/08 07:44 PM Re: Taekwonddiscussio loosing it's face/popularity [Re: trevek]
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Not a surprising idea, though, when General Choi used to openly refer to WTF TKD as 'phoney TKD'





I should add, even though it is obvious, this is a reason why many ITF students throw mud at the WTF side. The trend was passed on. I reject it in its entirety. It has no place in the realm of the MAs. Besides, WTF students of today, all around the world had nothing to do with black listing Ambasador Choi. Nor did the students write him out of history. They only read that TKD is 2,000 years old.

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#377748 - 03/08/08 09:35 PM Re: Taekwonddiscussio loosing it's face/popularity [Re: ITFunity]
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ITFUNITY


I am happy now, thanks for the input and allowing me to vent.

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#377749 - 03/09/08 12:28 AM Re: Taekwonddiscussio loosing it's face/popularity [Re: von1]
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No problem Von1

Do you know why many ITF members are bitter?
Do you have the Kukkiwon textbook?

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#377750 - 03/09/08 03:55 AM Re: Taekwonddiscussio loosing it's face/popularity [Re: ITFunity]
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Few points.

I agree that there is bitterness due to lack of recognition of those who worked hard for TKD but this is mainly political and this has little to do with the current WTF or ITF students as even the majority of South Koreans have no knowledge of the founding of their national art/sport. The only thing that has been mentioned to me is that I should help spread the true history of Tae Kwon Do as it has been taught to me.

Beyond this point which is purely historical and political in nature...

I beleive somebody was asking how TKD was taught.

To clarify GM CK Choi does not have a school he rather supports his students (some of which he has had since the early seventies) and their schools. He also gives seminars testings etc. Whatever he can do to support all true Tae Kwon Do practioners.

I feel I am fairly lucky to be able to train with him on a regular basis. I also attend a school run by one of his senior students although a hip injury has sidelined me for a while now.

When I am trainning with him anything goes strikes anywhere with any striking tool, grabs throws whatever the situation dictates. By the way I have never asked him to teach me how to spar in a tournament but I have seen him teach this as well.

They I go to the club which is at a university and is run on basically a cement floor. Funny enough the WTF guys get the padded floor in the new athletic center. The sparring there is pretty much tournament type sparring with maybe some leg sweeps thrown in from time to time. Contact is mild to heavy depending on the person you are sparring with. Most of the other techniques elbows, knees etc are taught with line or partner drills and are all stand up oriented.

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#377751 - 03/09/08 06:34 AM Re: Taekwonddiscussio loosing it's face/popularity [Re: flynch]
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I must say, as a non-ITF Chang Hon-in (can I say that?), I have trained as a guest at WTF clubs across Europe and have never found any problem. I was always allowed to wear my association dobok and belt (and I always asked first)and have always received a warm welcome. Even in the ITF clubs I've trained at as a guest have been very hospitable and, likewise insisted that I wear my dobok (even when I wore a WTF one) and belt.
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#377752 - 03/09/08 07:33 AM Re: Taekwonddiscussio loosing it's face/popularity [Re: trevek]
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not sure of the date of the film, but...
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=YoCiKKCB8bQ&feature=related
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#377753 - 03/09/08 11:06 AM Re: Taekwonddiscussio loosing it's face/popularity [Re: ITFunity]
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No problem Von1

Do you know why many ITF members are bitter?
Do you have the Kukkiwon textbook?





I understand the hard feelings old time ITF authorities would have, however, I truly believe it is time to get beyond all the bitterness and unite the art into a universally tightly governed, standardized, recognizable art, not ITF not WTF but the best of ea.

If this could be accomplished now while TKD is still popular TKD would be unstoppable. Our own infighting and loose standards are hurting us more than anything. The funny thing is, it is our infighting that has produced the loose standards, this is why I don"t care bunches about early history, like it or not, TKD has changed forever and nothing will change that fact so it is time to write new history.
One may feel as they wish, but making statements like, history of real TKD, only serves in more division and is strictly political and passive aggressive. This is what the old time governing bodies want, they do not seek reconciliation they seek victory and it is only getting further away! I say united we stand divided we fail.

Looking back on TKD"s entire history will not be so painful or bitter once/if, TKD becomes one, it will simply become part of the transformation of TKD. I believe it can only come from a new breed of leader, us! well not me but you get the picture.

And no I do not have the kukkiwon text book but I plan to look into that, thanks.


Edited by von1 (03/09/08 11:42 AM)

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#377754 - 03/09/08 01:49 PM Re: Taekwonddiscussio loosing it's face/popularity [Re: von1]
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I understand the hard feelings old time ITF authorities would have, however, I truly believe it is time to get beyond all the bitterness and unite the art into a universally tightly governed, standardized, recognizable art, not ITF not WTF but the best of ea.




Personally, I dislike the idea of complete standardization. I think the creation of standard names for all the techniques in TKD by the ITF, and the naming of different judo techniques by the IJF is a great step forward, and very useful. However, a standard curriculum in my opinion is simply too restrictive on the individual needs and preferences of instructors and their pupils.

People are always going to have slightly different goals and preferences. Some instructors prefer to do a lot of pad work, some prefer to do lots of patterns, others do very little sparring. And that's fine, afterall, a martial art should not just be a fixed immovable thing, it should be flexible to the individual. An analogy is in modern schooling. Some people learn kinesthetically, some learn better from reading books, others from discussing the ideas. Schools in britain now try to cater for this, and results seem to be improving, so there is some evidence it works.

I have met instructors who were fantastic teachers at certain elements of TKD, but were weak in other areas, and obviously they focused more on the aspects they were good at than those they were poor at. That is not to say these weak areas should be ignored, but I can quite understand how some areas can be taught in much smaller amounts than others. A simple example is gun defense- might be a useful thing in America, but in Britain it becomes much less important, although knife defense might be more important. So you see how a standard, one size fits all, curriculum can actually stifle a MA and cause disagreements and splits where they needn't exist.

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#377755 - 03/09/08 05:02 PM Re: Taekwonddiscussio loosing it's face/popularity [Re: Supremor]
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Quote:

Quote:


I understand the hard feelings old time ITF authorities would have, however, I truly believe it is time to get beyond all the bitterness and unite the art into a universally tightly governed, standardized, recognizable art, not ITF not WTF but the best of ea.




Personally, I dislike the idea of complete standardization. I think the creation of standard names for all the techniques in TKD by the ITF, and the naming of different judo techniques by the IJF is a great step forward, and very useful. However, a standard curriculum in my opinion is simply too restrictive on the individual needs and preferences of instructors and their pupils.

People are always going to have slightly different goals and preferences. Some instructors prefer to do a lot of pad work, some prefer to do lots of patterns, others do very little sparring. And that's fine, afterall, a martial art should not just be a fixed immovable thing, it should be flexible to the individual. An analogy is in modern schooling. Some people learn kinesthetically, some learn better from reading books, others from discussing the ideas. Schools in britain now try to cater for this, and results seem to be improving, so there is some evidence it works.

I have met instructors who were fantastic teachers at certain elements of TKD, but were weak in other areas, and obviously they focused more on the aspects they were good at than those they were poor at. That is not to say these weak areas should be ignored, but I can quite understand how some areas can be taught in much smaller amounts than others. A simple example is gun defense- might be a useful thing in America, but in Britain it becomes much less important, although knife defense might be more important. So you see how a standard, one size fits all, curriculum can actually stifle a MA and cause disagreements and splits where they needn't exist.






Interesting,


That is how TKD is now and there is much complaining and finger pointing. You raise some good points but no matter how you look at it we are still divided and many have hard feelings. TKD could be standardized if it was done correctly. You could do it regionally, that would take care of the gun SD in America vs. the knife SD in Europe example you gave. No matter how you develop curriculum instructors will always very a little from it but a minimum standard could be imposed and regulated. The curriculum would not have to be so rigid that it would impose on instructors, the key would be the minimum standards.

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