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#377476 - 02/22/08 12:07 AM Re: Taekwondo loosing it's face/popularity [Re: trevek]
badachagi Offline
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Registered: 02/05/08
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Does anyone know which kind of Karate that guy was doing?




Based on the way the Karate fighter was moving, it looked a lot like Kyokushin to me.

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#377477 - 02/22/08 11:46 AM Re: Taekwondo loosing it's face/popularity [Re: badachagi]
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Definitely Kyokushin. Whenever I observe a kumite their movement tends to be very tense and alot less athletic than other martial artists. They, however, are walking lethal weapons. They're so well conditioned.

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#377478 - 02/22/08 12:14 PM Re: Taekwondo loosing it's face/popularity [Re: EvenRats]
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Definitely Kyokushin. Whenever I observe a kumite their movement tends to be very tense and alot less athletic than other martial artists. They, however, are walking lethal weapons. They're so well conditioned.




Yes, I would agree. I think Kyokushin really is an interesting art, and aside from some superficial similarities in techniques, very different from TKD. I've noticed most Kyokushin fighters are very tough and strong. They don't really have much in the way of footwork and evasive maneuvers, but they make up for it in tenacity and ability to take punishment.

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#377479 - 02/22/08 01:31 PM Re: Taekwondo loosing it's face/popularity [Re: badachagi]
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So does TKD have to move backwards to go forwards?
It seems that the people who stick up for TKD claim originaly it was good enough.It had face.Thats all been lost.
Or should it not just burts forward and take on board what it lacks?

I think anyone doing the latter has to do it out of site or risk being labelled anti-TKD.I dont think anyone with any power would do it.That seems to come down to pride.
Can TKD accept what it is and what is isnt?
Too often its made out to be more than what it is and I think those that do that loose face for TKD.
Yes,its got some grappling.But it wont cut it against another trained grappler.
Yea its got knees,elbows,low kicks.But it wont cut it against a Thai fighter as theres no tactical use or as much experience in using them.
Yea its got hands stuff but not on the level of a boxer to survive with one or know the tactics .
To me,it should either be accepted or go over to those places and improve them and bring them back.
On a low to average level TKD can hold its own although against other high skilled people I dont think it cuts it.And thats proven by there not being any TKD guys at the top.Of course you will get the odd one but they are unique and normaly using maybe about 10 percent TKD if that.

Im not being anti TKD.Its just my honest observations and what I find trying to take my TKD into to other places like NHB/MMA.
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#377480 - 02/22/08 03:36 PM Re: Taekwondo loosing it's face/popularity [Re: matxtx]
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I believe the WTF/KKW fighters are much better then what you see. I watched a dozen fights on youtube of the WTF championships and 95% of the techniques used was a Roundhouse( turning) kick. The other 5% was a mix of Axe, spinning back, front, and hooking kicks. They are much more capable then what I saw. They train to the peak of physical prowess yet when the Championship comes the Taekwon-Do is limited. The fastest with the roundhouse wins the point and the one with the most points wins the championship.
Maybe the head of the KKW needs to reevaluate the scoring system where more techniques have to be implemented in the match. Minimum number of each kick per match or you are minused points. Just a thought.
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#377481 - 02/22/08 09:39 PM Re: Taekwondo loosing it's face/popularity [Re: matxtx]
EvenRats Offline
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Registered: 12/26/07
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So does TKD have to move backwards to go forwards?
It seems that the people who stick up for TKD claim originaly it was good enough.It had face.Thats all been lost.
Or should it not just burts forward and take on board what it lacks?

I think anyone doing the latter has to do it out of site or risk being labelled anti-TKD.I dont think anyone with any power would do it.That seems to come down to pride.
Can TKD accept what it is and what is isnt?
Too often its made out to be more than what it is and I think those that do that loose face for TKD.
Yes,its got some grappling.But it wont cut it against another trained grappler.
Yea its got knees,elbows,low kicks.But it wont cut it against a Thai fighter as theres no tactical use or as much experience in using them.
Yea its got hands stuff but not on the level of a boxer to survive with one or know the tactics .
To me,it should either be accepted or go over to those places and improve them and bring them back.
On a low to average level TKD can hold its own although against other high skilled people I dont think it cuts it.And thats proven by there not being any TKD guys at the top.Of course you will get the odd one but they are unique and normaly using maybe about 10 percent TKD if that.

Im not being anti TKD.Its just my honest observations and what I find trying to take my TKD into to other places like NHB/MMA.




Are you saying TKD doesn't make the cut when it comes to MMA?

I don't think there's a single art that covers enough(with the exception of Jeet Kune Do, but thats not an art, its more of a philosophy) to ready yourself for a different playing field. Look at the beginning of UFC. All the stand up fighters were destroyed by the grapplers. Then later on they got wise and trained in groundfighting and takedowns, which gave them an advantage to pure grapplers(strike wise). I forgot, but wasn't there a ITFer competing in UFC or Pride? Zelg Galesic was his name. Now that guy has talent.

To put it in the way my TKD instructor does; train in all aspects of fighting as much as possible. You're not "replacing" your art, but rather supplementing it.

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#377482 - 02/22/08 10:25 PM Re: Taekwondo loosing it's face/popularity [Re: EvenRats]
badachagi Offline
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Registered: 02/05/08
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I forgot, but wasn't there a ITFer competing in UFC or Pride? Zelg Galesic was his name. Now that guy has talent.





There are several MMA fighters with TKD backgrounds. The ones that immediately come to mind are Cung Le and David Loiseau. I'm pretty sure there are more.

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#377483 - 02/23/08 08:07 AM Re: Taekwondo loosing it's face/popularity [Re: badachagi]
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Mark Weir is a Chang Hon practitioner and I believe holds/held the record for the fastest UFC knockout (11 seconds, I think).
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#377484 - 02/23/08 08:10 AM Re: Taekwondo loosing it's face/popularity [Re: trevek]
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I was going to say that. And the man that took the Cage Rage middleweight title away from Weir was none other than... Zelg Galesic, another TKD fighter.

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#377485 - 02/23/08 03:09 PM Re: Taekwondo loosing it's face/popularity [Re: Supremor]
Dereck Offline
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Registered: 10/04/04
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Ivan Salaverry as well as Stephen Bonnar are TKD.
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