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#377536 - 02/25/08 10:24 PM Re: Taekwondo loosing it's face/popularity [Re: EvenRats]
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EvenRats:
google him, the ICTF had something at 1x on their website, as does the WTA, the TKD hall of fame & maybe Mr. Anslow's book, along with gen choi's memoirs

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#377537 - 02/25/08 11:47 PM Re: Taekwonddiscussio loosing it's face/popularity [Re: Dereck]
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2. It is my opinion that anything good comes from a group of people working together as a team; in this case a committee appointed by the government. While Choi was credited for naming Taekwondo it is my opinion that this committee also helped and it could have been as little as giving ideas that eventually derived to the name Taekwondo have done it without the help of others. Plus naming Taekwondo does not make it Taekwondo. A committee decided what Taekwondo should be and it is still evolving today; some for the good some for the bad.




1st you must remember, he summoned the committee. He was a 2 Star Major-General. As you may be aware, it is common for the military to play important roles in developing countries, even running them. This certainly was the case there. So he was in effect acting in a quasi-govt capacity. The name was thought before hand. It was not like there was brainstorming or a focus team that was looking for a name. Others had other ideas, but he came up with that name. It was probably because of his education & his ability with caligraphy & Chinese characters, that he even came up with it.
So your admitted lack of interest in history is okay. However, one can always have an opinion, but that shouldn't be confused with history.

Now you are correct that naming TKD does not make it TKD. What made it TKD was what he & his committee did in the military. This was different from those that where there when he named it. This committee was his team of military men, who were also martial artists. They were led by him & Col. Nam Tae Hi. They were assisted by Han Cha Kyo & Sgt Major Kim Bok Man, Gen Woo & numerous others. It was this committee or team that devised TKD. What they did was spread throughout Korea, via the military & police, where GM Lee Byung Moo was the chief instructor for the police. As these men went overseas, starting in 1959, this was the TKD they took with them. It was them & their efforts that made TKD popular. So much so, that later many others simply adopted the name, even though they were doing something else. By next year I think we will see SK give more proper credit to these Pioneers, who not only spread TKD, but introduced countless numbers of people to Korean culture as well, even having them bow to the national flag. Something not even Korean Ambassadors were able to accomplish.

Now again, you are right, committees continue to evolve TKD, but they are different committees belonging to various TKD groups. However none of them can claim to be the original ones, as TKD was not even being used as a name till 1965, 1972, 1973 & finally by some in 1978. The only ones for the most part who were using it, were the original TKD Pioneers, the ITF guys.

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#377538 - 02/26/08 12:33 AM Re: Taekwonddiscussio loosing it's face/popularity [Re: Dereck]
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No one knows who invented kicking and punching all agree with this.

The system of trainning that is ITF style TKD was create by somebody. The pioneers that I know want you to know that it was not just General Choi alone. He played a large role but so did other people.

They want you to know that they were practicing TKD well before the WTF existed and those that founded the WTF were doing Karate at the time and did not like the people who were doing TKD. They want you to know that ITF style TKD was a mixed martial art and was modern. They do not consider it to be derived from some ancient Korea foot game.

These are some of the things they just want people to know

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#377539 - 02/26/08 12:38 AM Re: Taekwondo loosing it's face/popularity [Re: EvenRats]
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If you ahve specific questions i can ask somebody who was there. I have been told a few stories about these challenges. It was just a regular part of the demo.

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#377540 - 02/26/08 08:23 AM Re: Taekwondo loosing it's face/popularity [Re: von1]
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GM Park Jong Soo has a video set available and on one DVD he demonstrates how a TKD person would handle a grapler,kickboxer, etc. I haven't gotten it yet and was wondering if anyone here has and what do they think of it?




Michaelboik

I looked up GM Park Jong Soo and came across a video from 1973 that appeared to be him demonstrating one step sparing at some event. He was awesome even back in 1973.

What I found to be so fascinating watching this is we do one steps also but we utilize many, more hand techniques and take downs in this sparing. Not normally a big deal but the school I train at is WTF affiliated. I can honestly say that GM Park Soo used at least three times as many kicks as we do for this type sparing and I didn"t see one take down.

Please do not take this as my school is better than that ITF school I am only interested in the fact that WTF schools are always being criticized for not using the hands enough and kicking too much. As I watched this I couldn"t help to notice that ITF kicks way more often than I thought and we use our hands way more than others want to believe, so what the heck is all this debate that go:s on between WTF and ITF all about? it does not make since to me. I am rambling now. I was just mesmerized watching this that's all.




That was part of the ITF world tour and this part was filmed in Germany. As Unity said, he was performing Model sparring where the technique is performed at full speed then in slow motion to show what techniques were used. He started with basic techniques and moved to advanced technoques. Gen. Choi wanted to show the average person what seperates TKD from Karate which many people where more familiar with, and the kicks did that.
I think the debate between ITF and WTF/KKW is more the Sparring then anything. The WTF/KKW has the Hanmadung which has the same competition as the ITF, patterns, breaking, and sparring. I think the classroom teaches the same although Idon't know if WTF teaches three and two step sparring, but basicly the same.
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#377541 - 02/26/08 11:43 AM Re: Taekwondo loosing it's face/popularity [Re: michaelboik]
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michael boik"

Thanks for info. on GM Park Jong Soo video. I can only speak for my wtf affiliated school but we train three, two, one step sparing. For (adult only) black belts there are what is considered advanced one steps which is the real nasty stuff, lots of bone and joint breaks, take downs along with potentially lethal finishing techniques. I train Tae Kwan Do Han Mu Kwan GM Sang Sup Kil.


Edited by von1 (02/26/08 11:47 AM)

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#377542 - 02/26/08 12:42 PM Re: Taekwondo loosing it's face/popularity [Re: von1]
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GM Kil is quite skilled in Hapkido. You are very lucky to have an instructor of his skill level.
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#377543 - 02/26/08 12:42 PM Re: Taekwonddiscussio loosing it's face/popularity [Re: ITFunity]
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Dereck:

Sir, you still have not responed to major points I posted refuting that is IMHO essential to understanding the "evolution" as you stated of TKD.

Will you?

Thanks

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#377544 - 02/26/08 01:06 PM Re: Taekwonddiscussio loosing it's face/popularity [Re: ITFunity]
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Come again ITF? I thought I responded to everything to the best of my ability to all of your posts.
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#377545 - 02/26/08 01:11 PM Re: Taekwonddiscussio loosing it's face/popularity [Re: Dereck]
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No Sir, you didn't respond to #15986449, posted on 02/25/08 at 11:47pm, which appears about 7-8 posts above. I am afraid to get in trouble for re-quoting it again!

LOL

Thanks

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