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#377326 - 02/04/08 07:59 PM Re: Taekwondo loosing it's face/popularity [Re: StormDOA]
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I do WTF but feel that we are a traditional school with little Olympic influence (thankfully).




What does this mean - "I do WTF'?

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#377327 - 02/04/08 09:09 PM Re: Taekwondo loosing it's face/popularity [Re: VDJ]
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yeah thats definately what I meant VDJ, sorry. I remember the "Human Weapon" Savate, it was not so good. Although I do like both of the shows actually. Thanks
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#377328 - 02/04/08 09:14 PM Re: Taekwondo loosing it's face/popularity [Re: von1]
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oppion only- mma is popular because of the blood it draws, it is no more than a well promoted tough man contest with a small varity of marcial arts added. If you can take a punch you can be a mma fighter. I think to be considered a professional mma fighter one only needs to be a RED BELT not positive. mma fights have all the elements of the old gladiators, the colliseium,blood and guts rouring crowds ect. not to take away from mma it IS BRUTAL and the publc loves the beatings. Most of these fighters (from all arts) strike me as not being super at their core arts and left or gave up so they could become brawlers in a less technical but more punishing system.Just an observation, not saying I am right any coments?




Hi Doofus!! You obviously aren't involved enough to give an opinion on what mma is or isn't.

Lol @ "only have to be a redbelt."
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#377329 - 02/05/08 03:09 AM Re: Taekwondo loosing it's face/popularity [Re: BrianS]
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I used to think that MMA was just that a brawl. But I took the time to read up on it and study it. You can tell that there is more to it than just a brawl. The fighters have specialties and some waite for the opportunity to capitalize on anothers mistakes. It began to remind me of the wrestling matches I had back as a kid, there are times when you are thinking about your next move and how your opponent will react.

I don't know which is better. In fact I can say that I don't actually like MMA or wresling or grappling but I can appreciate that it takes hard work and trainning to perfect what may look like a brawl.


Edited by flynch (02/05/08 03:10 AM)

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#377330 - 02/05/08 06:36 AM Re: Taekwondo loosing it's face/popularity [Re: Dereck]
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I'd suggest that MMA looks crude for exactly the reason that it does not allow people to throw perfect traditional techniques. It appears messy because doing a refined striking technique isn't easy when there's a gorilla wanting to deflower you.

That doesn't mean either you or the gorilla are not highly trained in what you do.

From a TKD point, Mark Weir was a high ranking tKD man and former world champion before he turned to MMA. He certainly was pretty damn good at his core art. He presumably left to challenge himself and reach new levels. That meant having to quickly turn his hand to new techniques.

Perhaps the relevance of the MMA post to TKD allegedly losing its popularity is that many people might say "TKD is useless cos it has never won UFC" (rightly or wrongly).
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#377331 - 02/05/08 07:29 AM Re: Taekwondo loosing it's face/popularity [Re: trevek]
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brawling is a traditioal scottish fighting art. :-P
so don't bash it it ovolves striking on vital points , improvised weapon forms and grapling and ground

seriously though, I'm not a huge fan of UFC, i'm moraly oposed to using violence as a form of entertainment. They are however very acomplished in MMA on that show and to say that you don't even need to be proficient in an art to be sucsesful is ,well, incorect.
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#377332 - 02/05/08 11:00 AM Re: Taekwondo loosing it's face/popularity [Re: TKD-Skippi]
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Speaking of MMA, I see Bruce Lee as the first "popular" mixed martial artist with his JKD. It was geared to the individual where they would use what is useful for them. He had students from all different MA backgrounds that crosstrained together. JMO
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#377333 - 02/05/08 11:18 AM Re: Taekwondo loosing it's face/popularity [Re: Dereck]
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Guess I came across as dissing mma did not mean to sound that way. Agree that mma is more enertaining to watch than probably all other competitions.I just wish the refs would stand the fighters up a little quicker if there is no action, that is my only beef with mma.The red belt comment I got from a UFC commontater wile watching a match, I only said I wasn:t sure if that was correct because I wasn:t sure if the anouncer was correct in stating that.My first post on this fourm was yesterday on the human weapon fourm please read it, it will give you an idea of the nature of my postings. I realy do respect every martial art and think they all have much to offer, but after reading fighting arts .com for over a yr.(only responded for first time yesterday) I can see that many people have little idea as to why some organizations do what they do my self included as witnessed by my comments reguarding the ground game for mma. I am sure there is a reason the refs let it go so long just can:t figure out why some bouts end up looking like a high school wresling match for half the bout.This sounded like a knock on mma just stating what I feel would make mma even better for myself, personaly am still a fan though and still like to watch.Now for the hard part, I must also agree that olyimpic sparing is extreemly boring. The reason I watch it is because I understand how good these competitors realy are. The same aspects that make them good is also what makes the event boring, they are forced by a point system and rules that make them have to give to much respect to their opponents. Less than 1 percent of WTF people will ever make it as far as the olympics. What way to many people believe is the myth that WTF instructors are only teaching olypic sparing techneques to their students. This myth whitch is mostly prepetuated by practicing taekwondo people is what is giving taekwondo an undeserved rep that it is inferior. To answer your question as to what my reply has to do with taekwondo losing its popularity, I think that the mma community is doing an excellent job of marketing and has cut into the popularity of many if not all the martial arts. Its marketing at its best combine any and all arts under 1 system and give it a name its brillant! the only down side is that every martial art is not being represented in its trur light and too many techneques from all the arts are missing this is why I am of the oppion that it is more of a brawl than an art that is not a knock it is what it is and we can still all enjoy MMA.

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#377334 - 02/05/08 11:34 AM Re: Taekwondo loosing it's face/popularity [Re: michaelboik]
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Speaking of MMA, I see Bruce Lee as the first "popular" mixed martial artist with his JKD. It was geared to the individual where they would use what is useful for them. He had students from all different MA backgrounds that crosstrained together. JMO




Actually original Taekwon-Do was a modern MMA. It was devised by students of many different fighting arts for use as a military SD system. Now it didn't have too much grappling, but the emphasis on hard core SD has been lost over the years. There are many reasons for this. The Olympic movement, the founder's emphasis on patterns & the Do, money/income, insurance, lawsuits & a general watering down of the original system. I know many often blame the Olympics & that is a big part of it. But IMHO it was the Karate Kid & Ninja Turtle movies that opened the doors to countless children. Many commericial schools saw the potential that was there, so the rest is history.

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#377335 - 02/05/08 11:52 AM Re: Taekwondo loosing it's face/popularity [Re: BrianS]
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Brian s, are we in a bad mood? The red belt comment came from a commontater on a UFC match don;t kill the messenger, I also stated that I wasn:t sure if that was accurate info. because I wasn:t sure if the commontater was correct.Do you need a hug you seem angry!

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