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#377197 - 04/26/08 05:15 AM Re: JKD VS. Wing Chun [Re: jkdwarrior]
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that's the only sucky bit?
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#377198 - 04/26/08 09:18 PM Re: JKD VS. Wing Chun [Re: The_Master]
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Well I could comment further, but I'm not going to, its not my place.
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#377199 - 04/28/08 02:01 AM Re: JKD VS. Wing Chun [Re: jkdwarrior]
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i've been given the impression that Wing Chun isn't as flexible as JKD. is this assumption correct in your opinions?
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#377200 - 04/28/08 02:53 AM Re: JKD VS. Wing Chun [Re: jkdwarrior]
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"Wing chun won't teach you how to fight on the ground"

It can.

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#377201 - 04/28/08 09:05 PM Re: JKD VS. Wing Chun [Re: ShikataGaNai]
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Really? You learn something new everyday.

One thing Bruce Lee did was alter the fighting stance of wing chun to make it more manouverable like a boxer's. I think in the wing chun chance, the weight is kept to the rear foot. In the Bai Jong, its more like 50-50.
Jkd nowadays should look like the training they do for MMA. If you remember the earlier days of the UFC/pride, the fighters usually had the experience of one martial art. A striker was useless on the ground and a grappler got his head boxed off if he stood up for too long. Over the years, people began to notice which fighters from which arts were consistently winning, and dedided to train in these styles, hence the term MMAist.
Bruce Lee realised this in the late 60's, and it was for this reason he began developing jkd.
I'm also well aware that cage fighting is not the same as real life fighting, but its the closest we're gonna get.

Wing chun was developed by one woman (I think), and I would rather fight in a style that has been developed through years of trial and error, than fight in a style because somebody says this is how you do it. Before MMA competitions, everybody thought their style was the best way to fight. No offence to wing chunners, since your style cannot be tested in this way because you punch at targets like the throat and poke your finger in the eyes, so we'll never know.
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#377202 - 04/29/08 06:26 PM Re: JKD VS. Wing Chun [Re: jkdwarrior]
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Okay, a quick example.
Yiu Ma = waist energy. The ability to put your waist into a strike, throw, push etc.
In chi sao applications, you use Yiu Ma for lap sao, turning, Biu Ma - more or less everything and in varying degrees. This allows you to put your entire core (that lovely region of the body that connects the upper and lower halves) in an efficient manner into your technique.
In WC training, we generally do this rooted on our feet. So, take the feet out of the equation. IE, I'm on the receiving end of the mount and I want to roll it over. What do I use to do that? What does BJJ training dictate is the most important muscle group to develop? The CORE!
Yiu Ma = applicable on the ground.
When you get right down to it, most arts aren't all that different. They're either hard styles (karate, MT) or soft styles (BJJ, WC). The stance in WC comes from it's being solely a self defense art. It makes sense if you think about it - nobody is walking around 'ready to go' all the time so a more upright, economic training stance is logical.
Other than that though, it's all applicable in any range if your understanding is there.
I use my WC when I'm on the ground. I say this from experience, not blowing smoke. I don't care how much Bruce Almighty anyone evokes to argue that.

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#377203 - 04/30/08 03:47 AM Re: JKD VS. Wing Chun [Re: ShikataGaNai]
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well i'm feeling like the dumbest [censored] on earth, maybe i should come back AFTER i start learning JKD or WC.
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#377204 - 04/30/08 05:54 PM Re: JKD VS. Wing Chun [Re: ShikataGaNai]
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Okay, first of all. Every single martial art that I know of advocates the use of the core in movement. If not then you will be moving inefficiently. When I joined the BJJ class, my standup training did transfer over a little because I could use my core and also because I have better proprioception than most lay people. But I wasn't able to win against the better grapplers.
When someone has the mount and you wan't to turn him so that you're in his guard, then yes you can use the idea of the core to turn, but you will NEVER really learn to fight on the ground until you are rolling regularly. If you have only the idea of core movement, and are groundfighting against a BJJ fighter, then it is likely he will win, just like he would probably lose standing up even though he also knows how to move from the core. You need to train standup, clinch and ground if you wan't to be able to fight in all three places. This has been demonstrated so many times. There is so much more to groundfighting the using the core - yet I agree it is an essential element - but you're only fooling yourself if you believe that you punching training will teach you how to defend against an arm bar.
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#377205 - 04/30/08 10:27 PM Re: JKD VS. Wing Chun [Re: jkdwarrior]
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Yeah, I was talking about fundamentals. But if it's a fundamental that you learned through WC, than it's WC to you. Or if you learned it in JKD, it's JKD and on and on.
Knowaddamean?

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#377206 - 05/01/08 01:58 AM Re: JKD VS. Wing Chun [Re: ShikataGaNai]
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........umm yes?
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