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#377146 - 01/21/08 11:52 PM Re: So now all liberals are communists? Very McCarthy- [Re: floatfishski]
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I understand where it comes from. there are alot of parallels to the hyped fears acted upon during the mccarthy era, as has been done with hyped fears in recent years.

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#377147 - 01/22/08 12:07 AM Re: Show me [Re: MattJ]
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Sorry Matt, but research clearly shows that only a people who have their fundamental needs met actually care about the environment. If you wake up tomorrow knowing that you have to slash and burn to provide food then you're attitude will alsways be the middle finger to the environment. Frankly, I can't believe you're even profering an argument to contrary. If you are not prosperous and live at the level of subsistence, then your singular goal is to survive - period. So far, all you have offerd are talking points, and links to nutters of the "environmental" movement, and trite, dismissive comments to those who disagree with you. Show me that you know more about science than I do and I will . Until you do that I will still offer you respect becasue it is obvious that you are neither an idiot or stupid. You will always be better served by ponder and consideration.

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#377148 - 01/22/08 12:40 AM Re: Show me [Re: floatfishski]
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ummm...what makes you assume the position of victory?

The controversy of who is right/wrong isn't as important as the common sense goal: reduce and stop our crap going into the environment or it's only going to get worse. can it be proven what and how much gets worse? no. but by focusing on that question it bypases the common sense....meanwhile it's getting worse.


btw, a strange comment you made. how bad-off can anyone here be - having time to type and ponder? I think it's safe to assume that people here are not hunter-and-gatherers, surviving day-by-day in a mud hut with a high-speed internet connection.

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#377149 - 01/22/08 01:42 AM Re: Show me [Re: Ed_Morris]
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I do not assume the position of victory. And you are correct in your comment, "stop our crap going into the environment"

As for having the "time to type and ponder", we can because we are prosperous. That was not, and we are not the ones I was talking about. Being considerate of the environment is not a luxury enjoyed by those who live hand to mouth. My comment was to point out that those who are trying to survive will always choose survival over any environmental consideration. You misread me, or perhaps I wasn't succint.

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#377150 - 01/22/08 01:55 AM Re: Show me [Re: Ed_Morris]
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"I haven't seen any communists marching down America avenue"

And you won't. The last attempt to have a clinton lead us there was/is known as "the third way". Invading the U.S. and forcing communism on us is something that will fail. What we see happening is a long slow march to communism instead.

Through indocrination in the schools - teaching lies about America and calling it history - "dumbing down" the students, teaching things like "global warming" and calling it science. Detsoying American jobs and creating a welfare state while further indoctrinating people against the free markets that can bring them independence.

One former leader of the Commnist Party of America (I don't recall which one, it may have been Gus Hall himself) made a statement that since both the Democrat and Republican parties have adopted so much of thier platform that they really don't need to win elections.

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#377151 - 01/22/08 02:30 AM Re: Show me [Re: JAMJTX]
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hey, this could be like that game 'Mad Libs'


Quote:


The last attempt to have a republican lead us there was/is known as "the third way". Invading the U.S. and forcing fascism on us is something that will fail. What we see happening is a long slow march to dictatorship instead.


Through indocrination in the schools - teaching lies about America and calling it history - "dumbing down" the students, teaching things like intelligent design and calling it science. Detsoying American jobs and creating a welfare state while further indoctrinating people against the free markets that can bring them independence.


One former leader of a large news network in America (I don't recall which one, it may have been Rupert Murdoch himself) made a statement that since both the Democrat and Republican parties have accepted so much campaign contributions that they really don't need to win elections.




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#377152 - 01/22/08 06:18 AM Re: Show me [Re: Ed_Morris]
wristtwister Offline
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Registered: 02/14/06
Posts: 2210
Loc: South Carolina
Hey Ed,
any of this sound familiar? It's from the 1963 Congressional Record...

Quote:

[From "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen]

CURRENT COMMUNIST GOALS

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.

9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.

43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.





Gee... just imagine if any of that was going on...
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#377153 - 01/22/08 08:18 AM Re: Show me [Re: wristtwister]
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This thread has been Godwin'd and has turned political. Locked for a cooling-off period. Mods, unlock at your discretion. --Z
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